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Jun 20th 2017, 09:08 PM   #16
 Jstilt's Avatar
 
  May 2016
  Olympia

this state is a joke for transportation laws. there reasoning behind passing or not passing bills is total BS, by people that don't know shit about what is safe and whats not, especially for motorcycles.

Also to comment about the shoulder riding.....I live in Olympia and work on JBLM (DOD employee, not military, in case you were wondering), the traffic through the nissqually area is a parking lot 9 out of 10 days. sometimes it even starts back in the Lacey area. If I'm riding the bike and traffic is doing 10 or under I have no problem jumping over to left shoulder and doing 15-20, which is pretty much idol with the clutch out. I just started doing this this year. this area is also monitored heavy with state patrol and so far only one time was there a bike cop on the right side of the freeway, he totally saw me riding the shoulder but didn't come after me, clearly I wasn't causing a scene or riding at a high rate of speed, and being on a bike himself he probably realized why i as doing it. there are also a couple times where i might have jumped to the front of a line at a stop light, usually when I just have an uneasy feeling about the person behind me.

I don't think i need the state/law to tell me what they think is safe or unsafe. its my life, my body, my property on the line, and I will do what i have to to protect it. drivers these days are way to distracted behind the wheel for me not to take MY LIFE into my own hands while riding!!!
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Jun 21st 2017, 10:30 AM   #17
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  Jan 2016
  Northeast Olalla

  07 Guzzi
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jstilt
this state is a joke for transportation laws. there reasoning behind passing or not passing bills is total BS, by people that don't know shit about what is safe and whats not, especially for motorcycles.

Also to comment about the shoulder riding.....I live in Olympia and work on JBLM (DOD employee, not military, in case you were wondering), the traffic through the nissqually area is a parking lot 9 out of 10 days. sometimes it even starts back in the Lacey area. If I'm riding the bike and traffic is doing 10 or under I have no problem jumping over to left shoulder and doing 15-20, which is pretty much idol with the clutch out. I just started doing this this year. this area is also monitored heavy with state patrol and so far only one time was there a bike cop on the right side of the freeway, he totally saw me riding the shoulder but didn't come after me, clearly I wasn't causing a scene or riding at a high rate of speed, and being on a bike himself he probably realized why i as doing it. there are also a couple times where i might have jumped to the front of a line at a stop light, usually when I just have an uneasy feeling about the person behind me.

I don't think i need the state/law to tell me what they think is safe or unsafe. its my life, my body, my property on the line, and I will do what i have to to protect it. drivers these days are way to distracted behind the wheel for me not to take MY LIFE into my own hands while riding!!!
That's all well and good, just be prepared to receive the eventual citation.

Have you ever bothered to speak with your elected representatives in Olympia?
Jun 21st 2017, 12:00 PM   #18
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  Jan 2016
  space needle

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That's all well and good, just be prepared to receive the eventual citation.

Have you ever bothered to speak with the bunch of TWATS in Olympia?
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Jun 21st 2017, 04:58 PM   #19
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  Jan 2016
  Kirkland

  2009 V-Star 1100 Custom
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Originally Posted by Jstilt
...I don't think i need the state/law to tell me what they think is safe or unsafe. its my life, my body, my property on the line, and I will do what i have to to protect it. drivers these days are way to distracted behind the wheel for me not to take MY LIFE into my own hands while riding!!!
That's all fine and good but at the same time there are other people on the road with you. IF you have a problem then it has a negative impact on everyone else. Riding on the shoulder, lane splitting, filtering, etc. while it's illegal, also casts all of us in a negative light.

I'm not against the law changing to allow it due to safety issues, but until then we need to follow the existing law.
Jun 21st 2017, 08:14 PM   #20
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  Feb 2016
  Rent'n

  2002 Honda RC51, 2005 Honda RC51
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Originally Posted by Chrishil54
That's all fine and good but at the same time there are other people on the road with you. IF you have a problem then it has a negative impact on everyone else. Riding on the shoulder, lane splitting, filtering, etc. while it's illegal, also casts all of us in a negative light.

I'm not against the law changing to allow it due to safety issues, but until then we need to follow the existing law.
Are you fucking serious!?!

Please see this thread Watch your 6 at red lights

So the chick in the SUV that killed a rider..nay..a human...is following the law? Oh wait, she is giving fucking herion addicts a "bad name".

The PNW I-5, 405, 90, 167, 520 is the new Wild West. Watch yer back or get jacked.
Jun 21st 2017, 09:07 PM   #21
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  Jan 2016
  Here

Watch your six if you're at the back, and if you're at the front, watch your three and nine. Even when you're not trying you're faster on takeoff than anything but maybe a Tesla or a Veyron, so you're going to catch those red light rockets that would miss most cars. The other day I was tempted to jackrabbit the green at this one intersection because it's hard to make a left there, but you can usually do it with room to spare if you do it first on the green rather than last because the cars on the other side don't get going very quickly.

Some impulse made me decide not to and good thing because an Audi (why is it always Audis?) ran the red at full chat full seconds after it changed. They'd have been hosing me off that intersection if I'd gone for it.
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Jun 22nd 2017, 09:47 AM   #22
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  Jan 2016
  Issaquah

  2015 Yamaha FZ-07
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I'm not against the law changing to allow it due to safety issues, but until then we need to follow the existing law.
I don't think this is practical. Washington may never pass this law, or if they do it could take 15 years. I'm not going to spend 15 years of my life where every year I get my hopes up for a couple weeks, my hopes get dashed, and then I have to wait another 11 months for anything to even be talked about again. That's a waste of a life if I ever heard of one.
Jun 22nd 2017, 10:01 AM   #23
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  Jan 2016
  PDX

  '14 St3R, '05 DR650
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Originally Posted by Chrishil54
I'm not against the law changing to allow it due to safety issues, but until then we need to follow the existing law.
I'll never understand why people who disagree with a law argue to follow it, when not following said law doesn't harm anyone and can be argued to be safer than following it. It'd be one thing if you said "murder is illegal so follow the law" but we're talking about lane splitting here...
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Jun 22nd 2017, 05:41 PM   #24
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  Jan 2016
  Kirkland

  2009 V-Star 1100 Custom
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Are you fucking serious!?!

Please see this thread Watch your 6 at red lights

So the chick in the SUV that killed a rider..nay..a human...is following the law? Oh wait, she is giving fucking herion addicts a "bad name".

The PNW I-5, 405, 90, 167, 520 is the new Wild West. Watch yer back or get jacked.
Yup, I'm serious and human nature backs it up. If you have people of a specific group that break the law, it reflects negatively on the rest of the group that abide by the law.

Don't like the law saying that lane splitting is illegal? Violating it is a great way to loose the argument that it should be legal. Instead, follow the law and work to educate your family, friends and neighbors about it plus write to your reps and explain why they should support the legalization of it.
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Jun 22nd 2017, 06:02 PM   #25
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  Jan 2016
  Kirkland

  2009 V-Star 1100 Custom
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Originally Posted by wooden
I'll never understand why people who disagree with a law argue to follow it, when not following said law doesn't harm anyone and can be argued to be safer than following it. It'd be one thing if you said "murder is illegal so follow the law" but we're talking about lane splitting here...
I disagree with the law and advocate following the law WHILE working to change it. It doesn't matter if breaking it doesn't cause undue physical or financial harm. Think if the terms of a witness in court. Will the jury put more weight behind what a repeat offender says or what a law abiding person says?

The efforts to persuade legislators to change the law is essentially a trial. On one side you have the WSP saying one thing. They are seen as the law abiding people because they are charged with enforcing the law. On the other you have a group of people, some of whom willingly violate laws, saying the opposite. They will put more weight behind what the WSP says. That won't change until we get enough weight behind us. Increasing the number of endorsed riders is one way. Another is getting enough support from the general population, which is harder if they see people breaking the law we are trying to get changed.
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Jun 22nd 2017, 06:19 PM   #26
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  Feb 2016
  Rent'n

  2002 Honda RC51, 2005 Honda RC51
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Originally Posted by Chrishil54
Yup, I'm serious and human nature backs it up. If you have people of a specific group that break the law, it reflects negatively on the rest of the group that abide by the law.

Don't like the law saying that lane splitting is illegal? Violating it is a great way to loose the argument that it should be legal. Instead, follow the law and work to educate your family, friends and neighbors about it plus write to your reps and explain why they should support the legalization of it.
First, I apologize for the abrasiveness of my response post. I was a bit hot under the collar after first reading the post about the downed rider in Auburn. I was briefing my wife on the post then read your response. It was a kneejerk reaction.

Now I get what you are saying, there are always hooligans that mess things up. I was a skateboarder in the 80's and was highly discriminated against because of a few bad apples. Hell, look at laws now against talking/texting and driving.

But I think the mini-argument that many of the users on this forum are kind of trying to say is that:

1. Education is going nowhere
2. Many drivers do not know the "rules of the road"
3. Many drivers feel entitled to do what they need to do to get to point B regardless of what is in their way
3. Distracted, etc. etc.

So the take away is...if everyone else is going to break the law in some shape or form. Its time to start doing it myself (I have only split traffic once, when I was caught in that heavy thunderstorm a month back) ONLY in situations (starting out) when I feel like I am in harms way as a commuter.

Thank you
Jun 23rd 2017, 07:35 AM   #27
 Sentinel's Avatar
 
  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
I have ridden on the right side of traffic as it crawls into Belfair, down the hill from the gravel pit, and had no bad interactions except for one or two people who moved right to block me.

I have gone really slowly, first gear, neutral, about a trotting speed, so I could stop or move over as necessary.

The entire enchilada is about people in cars and trucks being pissed off and childish about "fairness" because they are sitting still and you are moving forward, and it is about nothing else at all. Nothing. Nada.

Everything else is a lie.

Of course, there is also Youtube and asshats who split lanes at 70 miles an hour, which gives the LawGivers an excuse to shut down the discussion.

So there's that.

I think we could just start doing it, slowly slowly, and Fuck The Man, Fuck the Rules.



Jun 23rd 2017, 07:44 AM   #28
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
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Originally Posted by Chrishil54
I disagree with the law and advocate following the law WHILE working to change it. ... a law abiding person...
Sheeps and Goats, baby.

You gotta choose.

"Everyone matters to God."

Except, apparently, goats.

"I'm the sheep." they all said, sitting in their Ford Explorer in traffic, being pissed at the guy on the Sportster, that goat-hole.

Jun 23rd 2017, 04:04 PM   #29
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  Jan 2016
  Here

Okay, let's say you have a button beside your handgrip that will cause the driver of your choosing to suddenly and painfully die of rapid-onset explosive hemorrhoidal scurvy or something. The catch is, the first time you use it must be on a motorcyclist.

Assuming you ever use it at all, what will that motorcyclist be doing to cause you to push that button?

Edit: apart from posting stupid hypotheticals on web forums, I mean

Edited by WarpShatner7 on Jun 23rd 2017 at 04:08 PM
Jun 23rd 2017, 05:29 PM   #30
 Chrishil54's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Kirkland

  2009 V-Star 1100 Custom
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Originally Posted by Naza
...So the take away is...if everyone else is going to break the law in some shape or form. Its time to start doing it myself
I'm glad you get what I'm saying. I just don't buy the argument that others breaking the law means that we should. It leads to a slippery slope into anarchy on the roads.

As riders, we should be more mature, responsible and reasonable than that.
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