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Aug 1st 2016, 11:12 PM   #1
 Mikeames's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Vancouver WA

  2012 Yamaha FJR1300
SWMotoSafety...

Curious to hear about other people's experiences taking the knowledge and skills tests for your motorcycle endorsement thru SW Moto Safety.

My wife is having some trouble passing her knowledge test. She's taken it twice and failed it twice by just one point. They refused to tell her which questions she missed both times...just you failed. She studied extensively both times and I quizzed her from the book pretty extensively and she did great.

The whole process really rubs me wrong because companies like this have zero motive to have people pass their tests and 100% motive to keep failing you over and over because you have to pay the same fee every time you take the test.

She told me only two of the seven people who took the test with her passed the test... Just doesn't sound legitimate.

Could be she's just braindead but I kind of doubt it.

I emailed the WADOL and they say they audit these companies every year, but they have no authority to do anything about it if a company is doing something wrong.

Sure seemed easier when you just went down to the DMV and waited in line. Never thought I'd say that!
Aug 2nd 2016, 12:20 AM   #2
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
Two out of seven passed? That does sound doubtful. Sounds like it is more their instruction that is failing than the students.
Aug 2nd 2016, 07:30 AM   #3
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  Jan 2016
  Kennewick

  Triumph Explorer, Concours 1400, Husqvarna Strada, Ural Patrol and a shit load of BN125
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Originally Posted by Transported
Two out of seven passed? That does sound doubtful. Sounds like it is more their instruction that is failing than the students.
If you are challenging the test, no training is involved. You study the material and take the test.

If you want instruction, then you take a class.

You are correct in that if only 2 of 7 students passed, then the instructor was the culprit, but in this case training does not seem to be involved.

Dusty
Aug 2nd 2016, 09:01 AM   #4
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  Jan 2016
  Vancouver WA

  2012 Yamaha FJR1300
These students were challenging the test.

I have no opinion on their instruction per say, although my wife did take the Into to Motorcycles class which did not include testing as it was supposed to be all about practice on the bike. In three hours she actually got to ride the bike, meaning feet on the foot pegs for about a couple of minutes going in straight lines in first gear.

Hardly an introduction to motorcycles... She was pretty upset because she took the $99 class simply to see if riding was for her and didn't get to ride enough to have the slightest idea.

As far as the testing goes she studied the book for almost two weeks very intensively and felt very comfortable after taking the test both times. Still she failed.
Aug 2nd 2016, 01:28 PM   #5
 
  Jun 2016
  Bothell

  2009 Ducati 1198, 2016 Triumph Thruxton R, 1971 Ducati 450
This kind of sounds like how they operated in Japan. If you don't take their 'course', then it was extremely unlikely that you would pass the test. How much is it to take the test? I'd go take it to see the questions and see if someone who has their MC Endorsement can pass it.
Aug 2nd 2016, 02:07 PM   #6
 Mikeames's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Vancouver WA

  2012 Yamaha FJR1300
$35 each and every time for the knowledge test and $50 for the skills test.
Aug 2nd 2016, 02:45 PM   #7
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  May 2016
  Olympia, WA

  1996 Kat 600 "Ras-tana"
when i took it, i only missed two questions. they showed me what i missed but didnt give me the correct answer. fine with me so i know what i need to learn and them not just giving me the answers was just fine.

i took no previous instruction, just reread the book a million times and went on youtube to see what they test on for the riding portion, which also gave me tips on knowledge info

Oh and all but one passed the knowledge and one rider dumped his brand new bike during the threshold braking. i saw him riding later that day so it wasnt that bad. nothing but a bruised ego and maybe a few scrapes on the plastics

Edited by SmokeyMcNug on Aug 6th 2016 at 01:37 PM
Aug 6th 2016, 09:34 AM   #8
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  Jul 2016
  The Couv

I never took a class, i did the rider test at the spokane DOL and onky a couple people passed (including myself).

On small easy to handle bikes, most of the class should pass but if people are challenging the test on their own bike, 2/7 sounds about right to me.
Aug 6th 2016, 01:12 PM   #9
 Mikeames's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Vancouver WA

  2012 Yamaha FJR1300
I'm referring to the knowledge test for the permit...not the practical skills test.
DOL doesn't do either of them any more...they have farmed them both off to private companies.
Aug 6th 2016, 01:39 PM   #10
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  May 2016
  Olympia, WA

  1996 Kat 600 "Ras-tana"
mine was a private company also. earlier this year.

they farm out for probably cost and liability reasons. and im sure the state doesnt want to maintain rental bikes for ride tests either. im not sure if the state ever did rental bikes though. when my mother passed her test 30+ years ago, it was on my dads bigass hd. she got a kick out of all the guys trying to look all hardcore on theirs while they would kill it or drop em and she puttered around on the beast. she got a perfect score, btw.
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Edited by SmokeyMcNug on Aug 6th 2016 at 01:46 PM
Aug 6th 2016, 05:03 PM   #11
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
The state never had rentals, you had to take the test on your own bike. Which meant it also had to be fully legal with no modifications. I heard stories of guys showing up on their brand new Goldwings and Electra Glides to take the test.

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