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Sep 17th 2019, 10:10 AM   #1
 Riki5156's Avatar
 
  Jun 2018
  LaCenter Washington

  83 Suzuki GS 1100E
Risk versus reward

No ride yesterday as Iím still busy working on my old cars. Did have to drive my 90 Dodge Cummins truck over to Brush Prairie to buy parts from a guy parting a like year Dodge. Down I5 to 205 to 503 East is how I get there. Coming up to the southbound I5-205 split I was in medium traffic just north of the fairgrounds when I caught a glimpse of a sport bike in my rear view weaving in and out of the cars at ~90-100 mph. Very aggressive rider. I felt my body tighten up cause I just knew there was going to be a rider down. When I got to the split I went 205 and the bike went 5 into much heavier traffic. Didnít hear anything on the news so I assume he lived. Thinking about it I wondered, why? Late for work,family emergency, just for the thrill? Too much testosterone and not enough common sense? IDK. Iíve seen it several times over the years and it still makes me cringe. Puts a bad light on the rest of us. To me from my first ride in 1972 to today itís always been fun but not scary to ride. My riding style will keep it that way.
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Sep 17th 2019, 10:35 AM   #2
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  Mar 2019
  oregon

Last time I clocked my commute through rush hour in Portland, the gps said I would arrive around 4 pm. I split lanes up the 5 and on the 84 and arrived at 3:33. Made it in about 30 mins vs 60 mins. There’s one reward.

My bike only ran for 1/2 the time. Same miles, but less wear and tear and less gas consumption which equals better MPG. Reward number two.

My journey was safer, because I was splitting. Reward number three.

Splitting lanes is safer, if done correctly. Now it does start losing credibility at speeds above 40-50 mph....

The situation you described is normal in the neighboring state, yet so foreign to some. Is splitting at 90 safe? Safe as in? I’ve honestly been splitting at 70-80 and had have HD riders pass me. This is no joke.

At the same time however, I’ve been studying MC crashes like crazy lately trying to get a vid together about this. I can tell you that Cali does have more MC fatalities than Oregon per capita. But why? Seasons? Not sure yet.

I like to study why accidents happen. Both with cars and bikes. Lane splitting isn’t killing us riders....
Sep 17th 2019, 11:51 AM   #3
 chadams66's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Garden Home

  2012 Versys...'83 BMW R80 RT...Suzuki GS 450t
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Originally Posted by Oregon Motorcycle
I can tell you that Cali does have more MC fatalities than Oregon per capita. But why? Seasons? Not sure yet. ..
any good study on the subject will tell it's because of the seasons..,people riding all year will up their numbers vrs people whose bikes are parked in their garage for over half of the year..that and the fact that people in California are just nuts and don't know how to ride or drive...

to the OP..it's about riding your own ride and not complaining about how others ride their ride...bad riders do not give all riders a bad name any more than bad drivers give all drivers a bad name...I don't think that everyone thinks all riders have big slow overly loud motorcycles that clog up the roads in big packs..just because there are riders who are and do that...

riding a motorcycle is a risk/reward thing to do at it's very core...weigh yours carefully and don't spend any time worrying for others...

Edited by chadams66 on Sep 17th 2019 at 11:55 AM
Sep 17th 2019, 04:21 PM   #4
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  Mar 2019
  oregon

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Originally Posted by chadams66
any good study on the subject will tell it's because of the seasons..

Any references?
Sep 17th 2019, 04:42 PM   #5
 Dash Riprock's Avatar
 
  Apr 2018
  Tri-cities

  Yamaha 650
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Puts a bad light on the rest of us.
I couldn't agree more, and I'm getting tired of the guys who seem bent on getting out of the gene pool telling me "You do your ride and I'll do mine", sure because this is only about you...and the first responders...and the ER...and the cop who has to take statements...and the people who slowly drive past you, legs akimbo, laying in your own yard sale, with EMT's asking you if you know how old you are and how many kids you have.

And even though you could get more of a physics lesson from a coyote and roadrunner cartoon than what I got at Hillbilly High, I still know when bike "X" traveling speed "V" hitting Ford "F"is going to screw up someone else's shit "S"
Sep 17th 2019, 05:06 PM   #6
 Riki5156's Avatar
 
  Jun 2018
  LaCenter Washington

  83 Suzuki GS 1100E
This particular rider wasn’t splitting as far as I could see,just weaving 1 to 3 lanes at a time. Unfortunately one little twitch of the steering wheel from an inattentive driver would have taken him out. That’s the risk part. IF everyone drives appropriately then yes I would say it’s doable and a time saver. And more than likely there’s been many more miles ridden safely splitting than not. It’s literally a narrow path to traverse. Figuratively and reality.
Sep 17th 2019, 06:32 PM   #7
 Parilla125's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

“And more than likely there’s been many more miles ridden safely splitting than not.”

I would have to see some data to back that up before I would believe it. Fine if it is true, but I highly doubt it. Just the ones I have seen here, where it is not legal at this point, they have been going pretty quick Between the cars.

Edited by Parilla125 on Sep 17th 2019 at 06:34 PM
Sep 17th 2019, 08:54 PM   #8
 
  Mar 2018
  Olympia

  2016 Kawasaki Z1000,2015 Polaris sportsman XP1000,2017 Ktm 690 enduro R
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Originally Posted by Oregon Motorcycle
Last time I clocked my commute through rush hour in Portland, the gps said I would arrive around 4 pm. I split lanes up the 5 and on the 84 and arrived at 3:33. Made it in about 30 mins vs 60 mins. Thereís one reward.

My bike only ran for 1/2 the time. Same miles, but less wear and tear and less gas consumption which equals better MPG. Reward number two.

My journey was safer, because I was splitting. Reward number three.

Splitting lanes is safer, if done correctly. Now it does start losing credibility at speeds above 40-50 mph....

The situation you described is normal in the neighboring state, yet so foreign to some. Is splitting at 90 safe? Safe as in? Iíve honestly been splitting at 70-80 and had have HD riders pass me. This is no joke.

At the same time however, Iíve been studying MC crashes like crazy lately trying to get a vid together about this. I can tell you that Cali does have more MC fatalities than Oregon per capita. But why? Seasons? Not sure yet.

I like to study why accidents happen. Both with cars and bikes. Lane splitting isnít killing us riders....
So lane splitting passed in Oregon? That's so nice it did! Oh wait it didn't? That's good you're taking it on yourself that it's ok,it'll really help convince all the voters to vote for it next election!!!! Thank you for getting it done,hopefully with you're influence it'll help pass it here in Washington for us.
Sep 17th 2019, 09:22 PM   #9
 chadams66's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Garden Home

  2012 Versys...'83 BMW R80 RT...Suzuki GS 450t
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Originally Posted by Oregon Motorcycle
Any references?
a simple Google search of motorcycle fatalities will get you plenty of references...this one..check No. 13 Contributing Factors...

https://www.ghsa.org/sites/default/f...cyclists18.pdf

Edited by chadams66 on Sep 17th 2019 at 09:24 PM
Sep 17th 2019, 10:32 PM   #10
 
  Mar 2018
  Olympia

  2016 Kawasaki Z1000,2015 Polaris sportsman XP1000,2017 Ktm 690 enduro R
Quote:
Originally Posted by chadams66
a simple Google search of motorcycle fatalities will get you plenty of references...this one..check No. 13 Contributing Factors...

https://www.ghsa.org/sites/default/f...cyclists18.pdf
Don't be bringing in real stats.
Sep 18th 2019, 12:00 AM   #11
 Parilla125's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

Quote:
Originally Posted by chadams66
a simple Google search of motorcycle fatalities will get you plenty of references...this one..check No. 13 Contributing Factors...

https://www.ghsa.org/sites/default/f...cyclists18.pdf
That has some interesting info in it. Thanks!
Sep 18th 2019, 02:10 AM   #12
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  Mar 2019
  oregon

Quote:
Originally Posted by chadams66
a simple Google search of motorcycle fatalities will get you plenty of references...this one..check No. 13 Contributing Factors...

https://www.ghsa.org/sites/default/f...cyclists18.pdf
Yes Iím aware of this report.

Problem is no one logs total miles for motorcycles. Total accumulated miles logged by the NTBS is a mix of autos and MC. Therefore we canít prove itís season related.

I need info containing total MC miles logged in OR and in CA over the past few years and the conclusion will be easy to obtain. Better than guessing.
Sep 18th 2019, 02:16 AM   #13
 Oregon Motorcycle's Avatar
 
  Mar 2019
  oregon

Quote:
Originally Posted by Riki5156
This particular rider wasnít splitting as far as I could see,just weaving 1 to 3 lanes at a time. Unfortunately one little twitch of the steering wheel from an inattentive driver would have taken him out. Thatís the risk part. IF everyone drives appropriately then yes I would say itís doable and a time saver. And more than likely thereís been many more miles ridden safely splitting than not. Itís literally a narrow path to traverse. Figuratively and reality.
Ahhh. Ok I get it now.

I watched some maniac do this the other day. Completely insane. He was almost hit twice in the lil bit I watched him. We were going south on the 5. I got it on film and never did anything with it.

Hereís the funny part though. I watched him make all these moves, literally cutting across the whole freeway to pass a few cars. Changing lanes like crazy. (Lane changes are an accident causer). I cut a few cars and caught right up to him very easily without one lane change. Then he starts shaking his head at me like Iím the one being bad. Well hereís the sad part, I was ďbreaking the lawĒ, but at the same riding in a way safer fashion than him.

Ol timer on an HD too.
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Sep 18th 2019, 02:20 AM   #14
 Oregon Motorcycle's Avatar
 
  Mar 2019
  oregon

Quote:
Originally Posted by Parilla125
ďAnd more than likely thereís been many more miles ridden safely splitting than not.Ē

I would have to see some data to back that up before I would believe it. Fine if it is true, but I highly doubt it. Just the ones I have seen here, where it is not legal at this point, they have been going pretty quick Between the cars.
Hereís an article on the report (not the actual report), on the subject.

You should seriously take a few and read up.

https://news.berkeley.edu/2015/05/29...itting-report/
Sep 18th 2019, 02:21 AM   #15
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  Mar 2019
  oregon

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Originally Posted by 16Z1000
So lane splitting passed in Oregon? That's so nice it did! Oh wait it didn't? That's good you're taking it on yourself that it's ok,it'll really help convince all the voters to vote for it next election!!!! Thank you for getting it done,hopefully with you're influence it'll help pass it here in Washington for us.
PA to the max!!! Love it

Voters.... lol.
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