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Sep 17th 2019, 10:10 AM   #1
 Riki5156's Avatar
 
  Jun 2018
  LaCenter Washington

  83 Suzuki GS 1100E
Risk versus reward

No ride yesterday as Iím still busy working on my old cars. Did have to drive my 90 Dodge Cummins truck over to Brush Prairie to buy parts from a guy parting a like year Dodge. Down I5 to 205 to 503 East is how I get there. Coming up to the southbound I5-205 split I was in medium traffic just north of the fairgrounds when I caught a glimpse of a sport bike in my rear view weaving in and out of the cars at ~90-100 mph. Very aggressive rider. I felt my body tighten up cause I just knew there was going to be a rider down. When I got to the split I went 205 and the bike went 5 into much heavier traffic. Didnít hear anything on the news so I assume he lived. Thinking about it I wondered, why? Late for work,family emergency, just for the thrill? Too much testosterone and not enough common sense? IDK. Iíve seen it several times over the years and it still makes me cringe. Puts a bad light on the rest of us. To me from my first ride in 1972 to today itís always been fun but not scary to ride. My riding style will keep it that way.
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Sep 17th 2019, 11:51 AM   #2
 chadams66's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Garden Home

  2012 Versys...'83 BMW R80 RT...Suzuki GS 450t
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Originally Posted by Oregon Motorcycle
I can tell you that Cali does have more MC fatalities than Oregon per capita. But why? Seasons? Not sure yet. ..
any good study on the subject will tell it's because of the seasons..,people riding all year will up their numbers vrs people whose bikes are parked in their garage for over half of the year..that and the fact that people in California are just nuts and don't know how to ride or drive...

to the OP..it's about riding your own ride and not complaining about how others ride their ride...bad riders do not give all riders a bad name any more than bad drivers give all drivers a bad name...I don't think that everyone thinks all riders have big slow overly loud motorcycles that clog up the roads in big packs..just because there are riders who are and do that...

riding a motorcycle is a risk/reward thing to do at it's very core...weigh yours carefully and don't spend any time worrying for others...

Edited by chadams66 on Sep 17th 2019 at 11:55 AM
Sep 17th 2019, 04:42 PM   #3
 Dash Riprock's Avatar
 
  Apr 2018
  Tri-cities

  Yamaha 650
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Puts a bad light on the rest of us.
I couldn't agree more, and I'm getting tired of the guys who seem bent on getting out of the gene pool telling me "You do your ride and I'll do mine", sure because this is only about you...and the first responders...and the ER...and the cop who has to take statements...and the people who slowly drive past you, legs akimbo, laying in your own yard sale, with EMT's asking you if you know how old you are and how many kids you have.

And even though you could get more of a physics lesson from a coyote and roadrunner cartoon than what I got at Hillbilly High, I still know when bike "X" traveling speed "V" hitting Ford "F"is going to screw up someone else's shit "S"
Sep 17th 2019, 05:06 PM   #4
 Riki5156's Avatar
 
  Jun 2018
  LaCenter Washington

  83 Suzuki GS 1100E
This particular rider wasn’t splitting as far as I could see,just weaving 1 to 3 lanes at a time. Unfortunately one little twitch of the steering wheel from an inattentive driver would have taken him out. That’s the risk part. IF everyone drives appropriately then yes I would say it’s doable and a time saver. And more than likely there’s been many more miles ridden safely splitting than not. It’s literally a narrow path to traverse. Figuratively and reality.
Sep 17th 2019, 06:32 PM   #5
 Parilla125's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

“And more than likely there’s been many more miles ridden safely splitting than not.”

I would have to see some data to back that up before I would believe it. Fine if it is true, but I highly doubt it. Just the ones I have seen here, where it is not legal at this point, they have been going pretty quick Between the cars.

Edited by Parilla125 on Sep 17th 2019 at 06:34 PM
Sep 17th 2019, 08:54 PM   #6
 
  Mar 2018
  Olympia

  2016 Kawasaki Z1000,2015 Polaris sportsman XP1000,2017 Ktm 690 enduro R
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Originally Posted by Oregon Motorcycle
Last time I clocked my commute through rush hour in Portland, the gps said I would arrive around 4 pm. I split lanes up the 5 and on the 84 and arrived at 3:33. Made it in about 30 mins vs 60 mins. Thereís one reward.

My bike only ran for 1/2 the time. Same miles, but less wear and tear and less gas consumption which equals better MPG. Reward number two.

My journey was safer, because I was splitting. Reward number three.

Splitting lanes is safer, if done correctly. Now it does start losing credibility at speeds above 40-50 mph....

The situation you described is normal in the neighboring state, yet so foreign to some. Is splitting at 90 safe? Safe as in? Iíve honestly been splitting at 70-80 and had have HD riders pass me. This is no joke.

At the same time however, Iíve been studying MC crashes like crazy lately trying to get a vid together about this. I can tell you that Cali does have more MC fatalities than Oregon per capita. But why? Seasons? Not sure yet.

I like to study why accidents happen. Both with cars and bikes. Lane splitting isnít killing us riders....
So lane splitting passed in Oregon? That's so nice it did! Oh wait it didn't? That's good you're taking it on yourself that it's ok,it'll really help convince all the voters to vote for it next election!!!! Thank you for getting it done,hopefully with you're influence it'll help pass it here in Washington for us.
Sep 17th 2019, 09:22 PM   #7
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  Jan 2016
  Garden Home

  2012 Versys...'83 BMW R80 RT...Suzuki GS 450t
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oregon Motorcycle
Any references?
a simple Google search of motorcycle fatalities will get you plenty of references...this one..check No. 13 Contributing Factors...

https://www.ghsa.org/sites/default/f...cyclists18.pdf

Edited by chadams66 on Sep 17th 2019 at 09:24 PM
Sep 17th 2019, 10:32 PM   #8
 
  Mar 2018
  Olympia

  2016 Kawasaki Z1000,2015 Polaris sportsman XP1000,2017 Ktm 690 enduro R
Quote:
Originally Posted by chadams66
a simple Google search of motorcycle fatalities will get you plenty of references...this one..check No. 13 Contributing Factors...

https://www.ghsa.org/sites/default/f...cyclists18.pdf
Don't be bringing in real stats.
Sep 18th 2019, 12:00 AM   #9
 Parilla125's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

Quote:
Originally Posted by chadams66
a simple Google search of motorcycle fatalities will get you plenty of references...this one..check No. 13 Contributing Factors...

https://www.ghsa.org/sites/default/f...cyclists18.pdf
That has some interesting info in it. Thanks!
Sep 18th 2019, 06:50 AM   #10
 Parilla125's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

"Of the nearly 6,000 accidents reported by the California Highway Patrol, 997 involved lane-splitting at the time of collision. The researchers released their report today."

"Like I've said before guys, anything we can do to help our safety while riding should be taken into consideration. Not the other way around."

Soooo, if none of the riders split lanes, there would be 997 less collisions? Obviously, lane splitting MUST be stopped. And immediately! Because 'Safer Riding'. You read that the same as me Oregon?
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Sep 18th 2019, 08:31 AM   #11
 
  Mar 2018
  Olympia

  2016 Kawasaki Z1000,2015 Polaris sportsman XP1000,2017 Ktm 690 enduro R
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Originally Posted by Oregon Motorcycle
We can converse like adults or punks. You pick. Iím good at both.

And no there wouldnít be 997 less collisions. Like I said, take a min and do some reading, instead of coming on here and twisting a statistic with quotes.
I just don't understand why you think it's ok to split lanes when you know it's not legal? You roll stop signs in your videos,you break all kinds of riding laws but you try to justify that it's ok. I'm not against Lane splitting and I hope they come up with a way for us to do it in the PNW,but I can tell you you're not helping to get the people to vote it in. All they see is some jerk on a bike riding reckless cause they know it's not legal. So will you post on here when you do get pulled over and tell us what the outcome is,or from the looks of you riding you probably won't pull over,don't worry about telling us about crashing cause some guy cut you off,I'm sure we'll be able to read about that.
Sep 18th 2019, 09:07 AM   #12
 Parilla125's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oregon Motorcycle
We can converse like adults or punks. You pick. Iím good at both.

And no there wouldnít be 997 less collisions. Like I said, take a min and do some reading, instead of coming on here and twisting a statistic with quotes.
Or facts. We can converse like children or intelligent adults. Or pick the facts that support your side then if someone uses the same set of facts with a different view, object. Sounds like a liberal tactic!
I. Read. All. Of. It.
Tell me that quote I stated is any different than the one you presented? Just supporting a different conclusion. That is EXACTLY what the statement says. 6000 accidents. 997 were from lane splitting. Eliminate lane splitting, eliminate 997 accidents off of the 6000. That is what, 16%? Pretty big.
Go ahead and call me a punk. More than likely I have been riding motorcycles longer than you have been alive. Close to daily. Still here. You go split lanes illegally to your hearts content. Maybe get a 16%er patch?
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Sep 18th 2019, 10:39 AM   #13
 
  Jan 2016
  Oregon

  2018 Kaw Ninja H2 SX SE
Came up on this crash just last Saturday... Real bad, guy trying to pass on a curve...bike caught on fire before they could even get the guy in an Ambulance...

This was very near the Mt. Angel Oktoberfest...

https://www.kptv.com/news/motorcycli...ce23af3fd.html
Sep 18th 2019, 04:07 PM   #14
 
  Mar 2018
  Olympia

  2016 Kawasaki Z1000,2015 Polaris sportsman XP1000,2017 Ktm 690 enduro R
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oregon Motorcycle
Easy. My lifeís at risk.

Unless your a perfect driver, itís time to let the stop sign go. So what, I rolled through a stop sign. Thatís irrelevant to this conversation. I also ride and drive over the speed limit sometimes. (Not today). I also smoked pot before our government told us it was ok. If your a perfect human being who never breaks the law, great. Just quit knocking me for it because Iím not perfect.

If you donít lane split you have no clue what others think. Itís actually more well received by cagers than most think. In fact, a lot of cagers think itís legal to split traffic.

Getting pulled over. Are you aware that your state has a specific ticket for lane splitting? Oregon doesnít which sucks because your put in a judgement situation with the cop. Of course Iíll post up with the ticket. Iíve already said I will and also mentioned if I could keep it down to 2 tickets a year Iíd be happy. Iíve clocked over 10k miles this season and have failed to get pulled over. I have a friend I ride with on this forum and heís been ticketed in Oregon for splitting traffic...
Yes it is your life,but when you get taken out by someone who didn't see you coming up splitting lanes going faster than you should be,you'll effect their lives when someone from your family sues them for your stupidity. Like I said I'm all for lane splitting when it becomes legal. You think you're the best rider on this forum by the way you post,you can't take any negativity that anyone gives you even when you asked for it. I see you're fairly new here by the amount of posts you've done,I'm new too,only been a few yrs,just I don't post much. With you're attitude from what I've seen you won't be here long. Also make sure you tell everyone if there's a group ride you'll be in,I know for sure I'll pass that ride up.
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Sep 18th 2019, 06:05 PM   #15
 Parilla125's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

Oregon, you quote statements out of the article, and berate me for quoting statements out of the article. You make unsubstantiated statements ("It’s actually more well received by cagers than most think. In fact, a lot of cagers think it’s legal to split traffic.", and yes, I quoted you.) for which you have no basis of proof. Well, unless you are running around taking a poll of cagers about lane splitting. Love to see the data on that.
You completely missed my point about riding a long time and still being here. I do not ride taking chances. Your 'safety' video was LOADED with risk taking and law breaking. Fine if you want to ride like that. Go for it. But then you get attitude about people taking issue with it in your 'safety' video. Really?
Let's see, got my first motorcycle at around 12 in 66. Got my MC license at about 17 in 70. Been riding on the street 'legally' since then. Good enough for you? Been in one motorcycle wreck on the street in around 50 years of riding. Had, if I remember correctly, two tickets on a motorcycle in that same amount of time. One of which was from the wreck I was in.
At this point I am beginning to believe you are just trolling. Have good rides.
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