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Apr 15th 2016, 04:18 PM   #1
 FeralRdr's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Adjacent to the Hobbit Garage

Planning Info: Gifford Pinchot Area - Fuel, Mileage, and Routes

I've posted this info before on the old forum, and seeing as how the information is often requested, I thought I'd move it over here. My main reason for doing so is to address some of the most common concerns of street riders, and in particular, those with smaller fuel tanks. A few notes to help folks understand the info.

Fuel:

There is fuel available in Cougar(A), Carson(C), Trout Lake(F), Randle(E), and the Eagle Cliff Store(B). Fuel at Eagle cliff is typically upwards of $5.50 (Ethanol Free Premium only), so be advised that it can be quite a bit more expensive as compared to the perimeter fuel stations above.

The Roads:

The roads mapped are the most common routes that we take to many of the destinations in the Gifford-Pinchot area, or when traveling through it. I don't imply that these are the only roads out in this vicinity, but these are the predominately paved 2 lane roads in the area. Other paved roads eventually turn to single lanes with pull outs, or turn entirely to gravel. Some of the roads that are mapped (FS-90/23) do have gravel sections on them, but they are relatively short. Along with the gravel sections, some of the roads have seen better days. There have already been plenty of posts concerning the condition of the pavement on FS-25 and FS-99, but be advised that FS-90/23 has some real sketchy pavement in spots also. In particular is a series of deep hidden dips that have been known to take down bikes moving at speed. It is for these reasons that when traveling on FS-25 or FS-90/23 between Eagle Cliff and Trout Lake, a certain level of caution should be exercised until you are at the least familiar with the road and where the most dangerous road conditions are.

A - B = FS-90

B - E = FS-25

d - D = FS-99

B - F = FS-90/FS-23

B - C = FS-90/Curley Creek Rd./Wind River Rd




Mileage Ranges for riding the Gifford Pinchot NF Area:

Cougar(A) > Carson(C): 53 miles

Cougar(A) > Windy Ridge(D) > Randle(E): 100 miles.

Cougar(A) > Windy Ridge(D) > Cougar(A): 120 miles.

Cougar(A) > Windy Ridge(D) > Carson(C): 140 miles.

Cougar(A) > Windy Ridge(D) > Trout Lake(F): 155 miles.

Cougar(A) > Trout Lake(F): 70 miles.

Carson(C) > Trout Lake(F): 77 miles.

Randle(E) > Trout Lake(F): 96 miles.

Randle(E) > Windy Ridge(D) > Carson(C): 111 miles.

Randle(E) > FS-99/25 Rd Jct(d): 20 miles.

FS-99/25 Rd Jct(d) > Windy Ridge(D): 17 miles (34 miles round trip).

Eagle Cliff Store(B) > Cougar(A): 19 miles.

Eagle Cliff Store(B) > Carson(C): 34 miles.

Eagle Cliff Store(B) > Windy Ridge(D): 42 miles.

Eagle Cliff Store(B) > Windy Ridge(D) > Randle(E): 78 miles.

Eagle Cliff Store(B) > Randle(E): 46 miles.

Eagle Cliff Store(B) > Trout Lake(F): 50 miles.

Current Conditions: Gifford Pinchot N.F. Recreation Conditions (Trails, Campgrounds, Roads)
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Edited by FeralRdr on Apr 30th 2016 at 11:08 AM Reason: Added link to Gifford Pinchot N.F. Recreation Conditions web site.
Apr 15th 2016, 04:31 PM   #2
 Cougar's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Richland

  Yamaha FZ1, KTM Super Duke GT, Yamaha FJR, Yamaha XS650
Great info! Thanks. Is NF90 paved all the way to Trout Lake?
Apr 15th 2016, 05:23 PM   #3
 FeralRdr's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Adjacent to the Hobbit Garage

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cougar
Great info! Thanks. Is NF90 paved all the way to Trout Lake?
As of last September (2015) it had 4 gravel sections on it. The three sections on FS-90 have orange warning signs that either state "Pavement Ends", or "Gravel". The Section on FS-23 has a warning sign in the Westbound lane, but none in the Eastbound lane.

The Western most section is about here and is about 1/2 mile long.

The next is located to the East about here, and is only about 30 yards long.

The last one on FS-90 is just to the West of the FS-90/FS-23 Road Junction, about here, and is about 300 yards long.

The Eastern most gravel section is on FS-23 and is about here. It is about 30 yards long, but is sitting in blind corner (either direction), and if heading east at speed, you will definitely be exiting the corner into the gravel while leaned over.

Of equal or greater concern is a series of deep hidden dips that are located between the two western most gravel sections. These dips are typically in the shade and are very hard to spot at speed. The western most dip is deep enough to do damage to cars as well. There are gouges and scrape marks from the undercarriages of cars along the trailing edge of the dip. I believe it was one of these dips that took down a Ducati a few years ago and the owner wanted to sue Skamania County for not posting a warning sign. Regardless, if traveling Eastbound (Eagle Cliff to Trout Lake) in this section, I would advise riding near the center line. If traveling Westbound, you should be fine in the center of your lane. Most of the damage is in the Eastbound lane. Once your out of that section, you should be fine. You do want to still keep your eyes open, for the occasional cracks, pot-holes, and rocks off the adjacent slope, but most of the damage is easily seen and avoidable at speed (at least as of last September it was).

The Western most Dip is located about here.

Edited by FeralRdr on Apr 30th 2016 at 09:49 AM Reason: Added Maplink for Western most Dip
Apr 15th 2016, 05:27 PM   #4
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  Feb 2016
  Washington

Great info, Feral. Looking forward to getting out to Windy Ridge again. It will be a while before the roads out that way are open, especially since there was an abundance of snow this winter.
Apr 15th 2016, 05:38 PM   #5
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  Jan 2016
  Richland

  Yamaha FZ1, KTM Super Duke GT, Yamaha FJR, Yamaha XS650
Quote:
Originally Posted by FeralRdr
As of last September it had 4 gravel sections on it. The three sections on FS-90 have orange warning signs that either state "Pavement Ends", or "Gravel". The Section on FS-23 has a warning sign in the Westbound lane, but none in the Eastbound lane.

The Western most section is about here and is about 1/2 mile long.

The next is located to the East about here, and is only about 30 yards long.

The last one on FS-90 is just to the West of the FS-90/FS-23 Road Junction, about here, and is about 300 yards long.

The Eastern most gravel section is on FS-23 and is about here. It is about 30 yards long, but is sitting in blind corner (either direction), and if heading east at speed, you will definitely be exiting the corner into the gravel while leaned over.

Of equal or greater concern is a series of deep hidden dips that are located between the two western most gravel sections. These dips are typically in the shade and are very hard to spot at speed. The western most dip is deep enough to do damage to cars as well. There are gouges and scrape marks from the undercarriages of cars along the trailing edge of the dip. I believe it was one of these dips that took down a Ducati a few years ago and the owner wanted to sue Skamania County for not posting a warning sign. Regardless, if traveling Eastbound (Eagle Cliff to Trout Lake) in this section, I would advise riding near the center line. If traveling Westbound, you should be fine in the center of your lane. Most of the damage is in the Eastbound lane. Once your out of that section, you should be fine. You do want to still keep your eyes open, for the occasional cracks, pot-holes, and rocks off the adjacent slope, but most of the damage is easily seen and avoidable at speed (at least as of last September it was).
Great info, THANKS!
Apr 15th 2016, 06:04 PM   #6
 FeralRdr's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Adjacent to the Hobbit Garage

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock Dodger
Great info, Feral. Looking forward to getting out to Windy Ridge again. It will be a while before the roads out that way are open, especially since there was an abundance of snow this winter.
True enough Rocky. However, if your going to hit up Cougar to Carson this weekend (as per another post in another thread), stop off at the McClellan Viewpoint. If you look out at Windy Ridge, you can make out part of FS-99. Plenty of snow still, but it is starting to melt. Let's just hope there isn't any major damage waiting to be discovered by the thaw.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cougar
Great info, THANKS!
Your Welcome.
Apr 15th 2016, 07:00 PM   #7
 Rock Dodger's Avatar
 
  Feb 2016
  Washington

Quote:
Originally Posted by FeralRdr
True enough Rocky. However, if your going to hit up Cougar to Carson this weekend (as per another post in another thread), stop off at the McClellan Viewpoint. If you look out at Windy Ridge, you can make out part of FS-99. Plenty of snow still, but it is starting to melt. Let's just hope there isn't any major damage waiting to be discovered by the thaw.



Your Welcome.
That's been a concern of mine, as well! The road has been deteriorating steadily for quite a while.
Apr 30th 2016, 07:27 PM   #8
 
  Jan 2016
  Vancouver, WA

Great post Greg! And yes Curly Creek is a bit gnarly. It was such a fun road last year. I was surprised at all the damage.
Mar 24th 2017, 11:40 AM   #9
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  Feb 2016
  Woodland, WA

  08 Triumph Scrambler, 4 sale $7600.
Outstanding job of work. Thank you FeralRdr. Also useful for a cager from the flatlands.
Jun 16th 2017, 07:38 AM   #10
 HalcyonSon's Avatar
 
  Apr 2016
  Renton

This thread needs to be seen again.

I can only imagine these roads were under feet of snow this April.
Jun 16th 2017, 10:29 AM   #11
 FeralRdr's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Adjacent to the Hobbit Garage

I just rechecked the map, and discovered a map error on one of the legs.

The route from the Eagle Cliff Store (B) to Trout Lake (F) is currently routing away from FS-23. I know that G-Maps tends to do this when it thinks the roads are closed (which 23 currently is). Hopefully it will adjust back to the intended route when 23 and that section of 90 opens in a few weeks.

The intended route is to continue on 90 past the curly creak road Jct (turn off to Cougar) and follow it until you reach the FS-90/23 Jct. From there the road becomes 23, and you stay on it until you reach the Stop sign at the FS-23/Mt. Adams HWY Jct. Turn Right, and head down to Trout Lake (less than a mile).

More simple yet: From the Eagle Cliff Store (B) Continue Eastward and take no lefts or rights. Follow the center line all the way until you reach a STOP sign. You just reached the Mt. Adams HWY.

Be advised that while your still on FS-90, you will come across a wooden sign directing you to turn right to go to Trout Lake. I believe that is the turn off to FS-88. I've never taken it, but am told that it is paved. Unfortunately for me, I've also been told that the road becomes a narrow single lane track. As such, I prefer taking FS-23 which is two lane all the way through. With the exception of one short gravel section (about 50 yards) that unfortunately sits in one of the funnest "S" curve sections of that road, the pavement is in real great shape.
Jun 16th 2017, 01:17 PM   #12
 Rusty Nail's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Sandy

  2013 Spyder
Those are fun roads. Even with the gravel sections!
Jun 16th 2017, 07:39 PM   #13
 
  Feb 2016
  Vancouver

90 - 23 - Troutlake is open. Came through there Wednesday.
Jun 16th 2017, 08:14 PM   #14
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  Jan 2016
  PDX

  '15 KLZ1000BFF (BEST FRANDS 4EVER!)
Poked my nose up to 25/99 this week and it's still closed at the hairpin after the split. Called them and they are not even looking at it until after July 1.
Jun 17th 2017, 07:29 AM   #15
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  Jan 2016
  Battle Ground

  1991 Honda CBR1000F
23 is open to Trout Lake? Are you sure Jerry, or were you dreaming?
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