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Mar 6th 2016, 11:35 AM   #1
 MARBLES's Avatar
 
  Feb 2016
  Clatskanie, Oregon

  YAMAHA YZF R1
Moving up to a litre bike?

MOVING UP TO A LITRE BIKE FROM A 250

Most people would recommend a 600 or 750 as the next logical step for a 250 or 300 rider. A rider evaluation of bike control is a factor to consider. Some riders we see should spend more time on their 250's.

I monitored one of Vancouver's NEW riders and felt comfortable with his control of the 250 he rode. He'd ridden a friend's 'Cruiser' but never a SuperSport or SuperBike.

Some of the current SuperBike rides offer multi-mode electronically managed throttle and fuel delivery systems that the SuperSport's don't offer.

Throttle management is the key with any POWERFUL ride. It's the difference between being a "Butcher" and a "Brain Surgeon."

We spent about 40 minutes in the Vancouver Mall parking lot just doing starts and stops. Before firing up the engine I got him familiar with the control positions and electronic modes. Mode 'B' for the throttle and Traction Control at level 3 was our starting point.

Once I felt comfortable with his control management I asked if he felt like he could get out into traffic. We spent about 3 1/2 hours riding the Vancouver area.

He did EXTREMELY WELL and experienced the reality of a POWERFUL ride and the maturity and responsibilities required when riding a SuperBike.

Sorry, I doubt he'll ever consider riding a 'Cruiser' after enjoying the comfort of a SuperBike. Yes, comfort.

Yes, he was riding my R1 and I think the last time I was on a 250 was back in the '60's.

The electronically managed engines on some of these SuperBike Litre Rides make them a reasonable next step for some riders.

Ride Smart and Ride Safe!
Dick
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Edited by MARBLES on Mar 6th 2016 at 11:44 AM
Mar 6th 2016, 12:27 PM   #2
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  Jan 2016
  Tacoma

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Is this a question, a statement or a reply to a question? Not trying to be a dick just curious about your writing style.... Or lack of one


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Mar 6th 2016, 01:50 PM   #3
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  Feb 2016
  Ridgefield, WA

Hello Vancouver, I'm that NEW rider on the 250.

Whoever gave "Marbles" that Call-Sign was spot on! 😃

Having a crazy OLD man getting you familiar with foot position and dealing with an EXTREMELY sensitive throttle and Clutch made a terrifying experience MUCH easier for me.

Once I "kind of" mastered that clutch and throttle,the POWER in first gear was a TOTAL RUSH.

I didn't actually realize how much the Mode 'B' helped until I got out into traffic using "Standard" Mode.

Learning about the electronically managed control systems without having read the manual made me a tiny bit more at ease.

A big surprise was how easily the bike could be flicked back and forth between my knees. It actually felt lighter than the 250.

THE R1 is a MONSTER! I am still in shock over this experience

No worries I don't feel I'm ready to be a brain surgeon
YET! 😀

Thanks Dick for the introduction to the "SuperBike" world!
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Mar 6th 2016, 02:23 PM   #4
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  Feb 2016
  Washington

Quote:
Originally Posted by Geek
Is this a question, a statement or a reply to a question? Not trying to be a dick just curious about your writing style.... Or lack of one


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Same here.
Mar 6th 2016, 02:24 PM   #5
 
  Jan 2016
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Originally Posted by RESONANCE
Hello Vancouver, I'm that NEW rider on the 250.
You sound like you have a decent head on your shoulders. That is what it takes to survive on a liter bike out in the real world.

Know when to go and when to pull back. Have fun.
Mar 6th 2016, 02:46 PM   #6
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  Feb 2016
  Clatskanie, Oregon

  YAMAHA YZF R1
Is that a 'D' or 'F' from our forum English Professors?

Dick
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Mar 6th 2016, 03:43 PM   #7
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  all of them
What I take from this is this. Throughout history (Like since the bow/arrow was invented. "History" did not start with the 1998 YZF-R1.) there have been dangerous, hi performance machines of all types that require skill and at least a modicum of intelligence to operate safely.

"Safely" meaning you can turn the machine on. Operate it in the way and manner it was designed for. Repeatedly. Without dying or causing untowards amounts of damage to said machine.

Historically, these machines have consistently weeded out the "haves" from the "have nots".

In other words...

You have what it takes to ride a modern liter bike.

<or>

You don't.
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Mar 6th 2016, 04:10 PM   #8
 
  Jan 2016
  Portland

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Originally Posted by MARBLES
Is that a 'D' or 'F' from our forum English Professors?

Dick
Meh. I wouldn't sweat it. Weather looks bad for the next 10 days so people have to find nits or what else are we going to do?

I understand where you are coming from. Liter bikes have a ridiculous amount of power but if you are spending $ at the top end of the range (like your R1) many bikes come with things that are designed to take some of the edges off your riding. Not always the case with supersports and given the amount of power those have now I can see the current class of liter bike - with traction, wheelie and different riding modes - perhaps being "friendlier" for someone moving from one type of bike to another.

Interesting POV. I always went with a bigger bike to compensate for my "shortcomings."

Edited by JohnK on Mar 6th 2016 at 04:16 PM
Mar 6th 2016, 05:16 PM   #9
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  Feb 2016
  Clatskanie, Oregon

  YAMAHA YZF R1
Hi Red Label Moto,

GREAT LOOKING HONDA!

I agree, history didn't begin with the '98 YZF-R1. When it comes to insane rides it was the 1970 Kawasaki MACH IV.

The introduction of Traction Control in 2012 transformed the R1 with its broad liniar power band. It's the perfect SuperBike for "Senior Citizens"

Ride Smart and Ride Safe
Dick
Mar 6th 2016, 06:04 PM   #10
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  Feb 2016
  Ridgefield, WA

Thanks Norainy,

I'll try to keep my brain in gear while riding ANY bike.

Having Dick explain how the Mode 'B' would slow and smooth out my actions with throttle was the trick. The electronics made me look like a better rider.

I have to watch my 'following too close' habit. Dick kept reminding me about it.

Dan
Mar 6th 2016, 07:08 PM   #11
 MARBLES's Avatar
 
  Feb 2016
  Clatskanie, Oregon

  YAMAHA YZF R1
Please remember, this is not to promote a brand but to highlight power management features currently included on many SuperBike rides.

Not every rider is ready to move directly to the litre class.

Ride Smart and Ride Safe
Dick
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Mar 6th 2016, 07:15 PM   #12
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
So mode B cuts power by 30%? From 200 to 140 HP? It seems to me still at least double of what a rider moving up from 250 bike should learn on.

He may survive, but won't his learning be stunted?
Mar 6th 2016, 07:39 PM   #13
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redkat600
Marbles vintage of R1 makes maybe 150 horse, not 200. Even the new R1M can't put 200 to the ground without some serious mods and tuning.
What year is that?

If B mode on that vintage is 30% down, it makes it 100 HP. That's probably manageable. But why? Won't he be learning faster on some 650?

I noticed for myself that I improve much faster when riding slower bikes. It's huge internal struggle to keep my HP lust in check...
Mar 6th 2016, 07:44 PM   #14
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redkat600
2012. Stock dyno numbers are around 150 horse. Only the new R1 or R1m pushes 180 stock. None of them do 200 at the wheel without race fuel, exhaust and tuning.
I see. When I was reading, I somehow assumed that it was a praise for all the gyroscopic gizmos and doodas on the new R1...
Mar 6th 2016, 07:49 PM   #15
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  Feb 2016
  Clatskanie, Oregon

  YAMAHA YZF R1
FYI
The R1 is not stock. A bone stock 2012 R1 puts 144-145 HP to the ground on a CALIBRATED Dyno.
Do some deep research on Yamaha's YCC-T and YCC-I technology.

Everything you read on the Internet is not FACT.

Ride Smart and Ride Safe
Dick
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