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Feb 22nd 2019, 10:17 AM   #31
 mjh937's Avatar
 
  Feb 2016
  Bellingham, WA

  Yamaha FZ-07
I am annoyed that I have to buy uninsured motorist coverage because people are driving/riding without insurance. The current law is costing me money.
Feb 22nd 2019, 11:03 AM   #32
 307T's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
Quote:
Originally Posted by mjh937
I am annoyed that I have to buy uninsured motorist coverage because people are driving/riding without insurance. The current law is costing me money.
Yes, that is frustrating when people don't take personal responsibility. Sorry, but that is the world we live in.

Edited by 307T on Feb 22nd 2019 at 11:09 AM
Feb 22nd 2019, 11:58 AM   #33
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Guy
There already is a separate House Bill to make motorcyclist carry the same basic liability as any other motor vehicle, helmeted or not. I do believe this was introduced well ahead of the helmet use bill.

The provision for liability insurance in the helmet bill was put there to mollify those of us who don't want to pay for someone else's poor choice. However it will do nothing to help pay for their long term care since it is only liability insurance they are requiring.

Fat people, smokers, drunk/high people, unhealthy life style folks, ass hole drivers, already cost us a pant load of money in our health and vehicle insurance premiums. I suspect we are already paying jacked up premiums for our motorcycle insurance to subsidize those who ride un-helmeted in other states.

We are going to pay, one way or another.
It should be full insurance requirement, not just liability.

And, insurance is highly local and specific when it's allowed to be. We're not paying higher theft insurance in Seattle because of higher crime rate in Chicago. Unhealthy lifestyles, similarly, would result in higher medical insurance rates - except that the government prohibits it. That's why we're bearing higher costs of others' choices - because the government wants to appear like it's lowering people's costs without actually paying for them.
Feb 22nd 2019, 11:59 AM   #34
 liberpolly's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Quote:
Originally Posted by mjh937
I am annoyed that I have to buy uninsured motorist coverage because people are driving/riding without insurance. The current law is costing me money.
How would you propose to fix that?
Feb 22nd 2019, 12:01 PM   #35
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '08 BMW K12GT, '05 BMW R12ST
IMO, Abate is a joke. Even if they found a way to save puppies and dolphins . . . I'd suspect their motive was secretly for lobbying for no-helmet and open-pipes.

Because that's their bread and butter.

If anyone can find them, please send the link. I cannot find the full texts of the OP's 6 listed legislative goals.

Abate-wa.org: a painfully dysfunctional website, including their predictable and frustrating lack of any useful content, their sole mention of the list above is in their January newsletter, really doesn't speak to issues that concern me as a rider:

"1. Motorcycle Parking Bill: Allows motorcycles to park with a wheel against the curb as is traditional for motorcycles around the world. Instead of the current parallel that is required by Washington State law.
2. Motorcycle Weight Fee: Reduces the $25 minimum 4,000 pound “weight fee” to $6 for motorcycles up to 1,000 pounds, and $12 for motorcycles up to 2,000 pounds gross vehicle weight.
3. Enhanced penalty for striking a “vulnerable user of a public way”: While already in violation of law (running a stop sign, failure to yield, distracted driving, etc.) to a Gross Misdemeanor (up to 1 yr in jail).
4. SB5007: Sen. Rolfes 3 year pilot program to study helmet choice and any effect that has on motorcycle fatalities in Washington State.
5. Lane-Sharing: Allowing lane-sharing only on freeways when traffic speed is at 25 mph or less, and with a motorcycle to traffic speed differential of no more than 10 mph.
6. Motorcycle Anti-Profiling: Support the COC as requested to enhance the current Motorcycle Anti-Profiling Act."


For some reason , Abate's BYOB meetings get top-billing, above their legislative agenda.

Lane sharing: Won't work where we need it most, because Washington has some of the narrowest interstate and highway lanes in the nation, at our most commonly congested areas, such as the tri-county I-5 corridor, I-405, Aurora, etc.
Parking: This law is used to break up large disruptive 'rallies', is NEVER used for riders who otherwise don't behave as asshats.
Anti-profiling: Same as above. Ride like a squid, or ride and dress like RICO-investigated patched clubs . . . please don't try to tell me you're not asking for attention. See South-Park's F-word episode.
Helmets: Again? Yawn, Abate is boring. Give it up already, you may gain some credibility.

Edited by FireDave on Feb 22nd 2019 at 01:51 PM
Feb 22nd 2019, 12:28 PM   #36
 Chrishil54's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Kirkland

  2009 V-Star 1100 Custom
Quote:
Originally Posted by FireDave
IMO, Abate is a joke. Even if they found a way to save puppies and dolphins . . . I'd suspect their motive was secretly for lobbying for no-helmet and open-pipes.

Because that's their bread and butter.

If anyone can find them, please send the link. I cannot find the full texts of the OP's 6 listed legislative goals.

Abate-wa.org: a painfully dysfunctional website, including their predictable and frustrating lack of any useful content, their sole mention of the list above is in their January newsletter, really doesn't speak to issues that concern me as a rider:

1. Motorcycle Parking Bill: Allows motorcycles to park with a wheel against the curb as is traditional for motorcycles around the world. Instead of the current parallel that is required by Washington State law.
2. Motorcycle Weight Fee: Reduces the $25 minimum 4,000 pound “weight fee” to $6 for motorcycles up to 1,000 pounds, and $12 for motorcycles up to 2,000 pounds gross vehicle weight.
3. Enhanced penalty for striking a “vulnerable user of a public way”: While already in violation of law (running a stop sign, failure to yield, distracted driving, etc.) to a Gross Misdemeanor (up to 1 yr in jail).
4. SB5007: Sen. Rolfes 3 year pilot program to study helmet choice and any effect that has on motorcycle fatalities in Washington State.
5. Lane-Sharing: Allowing lane-sharing only on freeways when traffic speed is at 25 mph or less, and with a motorcycle to traffic speed differential of no more than 10 mph.
6. Motorcycle Anti-Profiling: Support the COC as requested to enhance the current Motorcycle Anti-Profiling Act."

For some reason , Abate's BYOB meetings get top-billing, above their legislative agenda.

Lane sharing: Won't work where we need it most, because Washington has some of the narrowest interstate and highway lanes in the nation, at our most commonly congested areas, such as the tri-county I-5 corridor, I-405, Aurora, etc.
Parking: This law is used to break up large disruptive 'rallies', is NEVER used for riders who otherwise don't behave as asshats.
Anti-profiling: Same as above. Ride like a squid, or ride and dress like RICO-investigated patched clubs . . . please don't try to tell me you're not asking for attention. See South-Park's F-word episode.
Helmets: Again? Yawn, Abate is boring. Give it up already, you may gain some credibility.
Tell us how you really feel...

Since you are bashing Abate for being ineffective, what are you doing to help influence the proposed laws that will impact you as a rider? It might help the others in the community that feel the same way you do about Abate.
Feb 22nd 2019, 01:40 PM   #37
 Sentinel's Avatar
 
  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
i have noticed that when I ride my C14 with the saddlebags on and wearing hi-viz and a regular white helmet i get about ZERO attention.

pink mohawk on your helmet and a tucked plate on your gsxr = asking for it.

i know it aint right, but i also know it's a real thing.
Feb 22nd 2019, 02:08 PM   #38
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '08 BMW K12GT, '05 BMW R12ST
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrishil54
Tell us how you really feel...

Since you are bashing Abate for being ineffective, what are you doing to help influence the proposed laws that will impact you as a rider? It might help the others in the community that feel the same way you do about Abate.
I give to the AMA
I write, both here to spread the love, and to my legislators.
I ride, all year 'round, and behave so that I'm not part of the 'problem' which Abate believes exists.

Bashing: Strange word. Telling the truth is more accurate. Abate's been a joke for decades.
Repeating: Had their repeated-ad-nauseum goals of rescinding helmet and pipe laws not been so ineffective and obnoxious, so self serving to their wannabe-gangsters mode of dress and riding, had their peripheral goals received just slightly more of their efforts . . . I might be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, despite decades of strange rallies and ridiculous helmet logic.

But they haven't, so I won't.

I written this before: IMO, here are the legislative/regulatory issues that matter most to motorcyclists:

1: Free MC parking, everywhere. Give a larger incentive to encourage more economical modes of transport.
2. Greatly expand the enforcement and punishment of distracted driving laws. This will save lives, particularly MC riders.
3. Displacement-based endorsements. Saves lives. Creates better riders.
4. Road maintenance. We pay the price for Eyman's (and others) anti-tax bullshit more than most.

I've asked for these and more from my legislators, more than once. I've also asked my legislators to ignore the idiots from Abate, try to show that Abate's short sighted and petty goals do not represent the majority of riders.
Thumperpilot likes this.

Edited by FireDave on Feb 22nd 2019 at 02:17 PM
Feb 22nd 2019, 02:12 PM   #39
 Bald Guy's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Kennewick

  KTM SAR Husqvarna Strada, Ural Patrol and a shit load of BN125
Quote:
Originally Posted by liberpolly
How would you propose to fix that?

It does seem odd that we are required to have insurance, but then have to buy Uninsured/Under Insured protection.

There is no teeth in the law. My wife was hit by an uninsured driver. They got a 125 dollar ticket and never responded to our insurance company when they were contacted. We had to pay our deductible and were out 250 bucks. They still kept their license and car with little consequence.

I would like to further explore No Fault insurance. We hit, we turn it into our respective agencies. You go your way, I go mine. If you are not insured, well, that is now your problem, not mine.

I'm sure there are dog turds in the grass with No Fault, but at least it puts the responsibility on the individual.
Feb 22nd 2019, 06:28 PM   #40
 uhoh's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Tri-Cities, dry side of Washington

  Kawasaki C-14
Quote:
Originally Posted by liberpolly
If, on the other hand, they make motorcycle insurance mandatory for all because of people who want to ride helmetless, I'll be pissed.
Agree, that's my point in post #2.


If we want to see motorcycling contract quicker, take away the few young riders by making it more expensive.
Young men need a way to get to/from work (low pay always) at an age when car insurance is super pricey vs. their wages.

Edited by uhoh on Feb 22nd 2019 at 06:38 PM
Feb 22nd 2019, 06:46 PM   #41
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Guy
It does seem odd that we are required to have insurance, but then have to buy Uninsured/Under Insured protection.

There is no teeth in the law. My wife was hit by an uninsured driver. They got a 125 dollar ticket and never responded to our insurance company when they were contacted. We had to pay our deductible and were out 250 bucks. They still kept their license and car with little consequence.

I would like to further explore No Fault insurance. We hit, we turn it into our respective agencies. You go your way, I go mine. If you are not insured, well, that is now your problem, not mine.

I'm sure there are dog turds in the grass with No Fault, but at least it puts the responsibility on the individual.
But if the other guy is uninsured, there is no agency to turn to. How will your agency collect the money? That's why they're charging more for an uninsured driver.

Did you try to sue the other guy for $250 you're out of?
Feb 23rd 2019, 06:31 AM   #42
 Bald Guy's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Kennewick

  KTM SAR Husqvarna Strada, Ural Patrol and a shit load of BN125
I did some reading on No Fault insurance. While coverage and plans differ from state, No Fault is mostly a personal injury coverage. Your insurance company pays your medical bills regardless of fault, regardless of the other individuals insurance status. You cannot sue (No Tort) the other individual or their insurance in some states, or you can only sue if certain thresholds are met.

Most No Fault states still establish fault for vehicle and property damage. You wreck my car and are at fault, I still have to deal with my insurance and your insurance to fix my vehicle. If there are medical expenses, my insurance covers mine, your insurance covers yours, and we still duke it out over vehicle repairs.

Only one state has complete No Fault insurance that covers personal injury and vehicle insured vehicle repair where you carry Personal Injury Protection for you and your passengers, Liability to cover damages to property and parked vehicles that you cause, and Collision/Comprehensive which fixes your car regardless of fault.

The benefits of No Fault are that injury payments are made quickly, since there is no back and forth between insurance companies. There is also a benefit for the insurance companies in that they save money by avoiding litigation.

The downside is that you give up the right to sue, or that you cannot sue until certain thresholds are met. The other is premiums can get expensive.

Upon further research it just seems we are trading one set of problems for others.
Feb 23rd 2019, 08:10 AM   #43
 307T's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Guy
Upon further research it just seems we are trading one set of problems for others.
Maybe so in most cases but you wouldn't want to be without that kind of coverage if you are on the receiving end of a serious accident requiring medical attention to you. The accompanying costs can escalate quickly and astronomically.
Feb 23rd 2019, 01:45 PM   #44
 liberpolly's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Quote:
Originally Posted by 307T
Maybe so in most cases but you wouldn't want to be without that kind of coverage if you are on the receiving end of a serious accident requiring medical attention to you. The accompanying costs can escalate quickly and astronomically.
In my case, my regular medical insurance covered the expenses, and then clawed back part of them from the vehicle insurance payoff.
Feb 23rd 2019, 06:41 PM   #45
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  Jan 2016
  Kirkland

  2009 V-Star 1100 Custom
Glad to hear that you write your reps. Most that complain don't and they should.

1: Free MC parking, everywhere. Give a larger incentive to encourage more economical modes of transport.
Q: Freebies are a large part of the reason we have such a screwed up taxing system. How about creating more motorcycle only parking spots and charging 1/2 the normal rate for them? It would accomplish the same thing you are wanting. We should do the same with Bicycles. Charge for parking and also charge them an annual license/registration fee to use the roads.

2. Greatly expand the enforcement and punishment of distracted driving laws. This will save lives, particularly MC riders.
- 100% agreement on this.

3. Displacement-based endorsements. Saves lives. Creates better riders.
- Any valid scientific documentation supporting this, or is it your personal opinion? I started riding when they had this in the state and from my experience, what created better riders and saved lives was the riding courses people were taking before their endorsement.

4. Road maintenance. We pay the price for Eyman's (and others) anti-tax bullshit more than most.
The issue isn't Eyman and other's "anti-tax bullshit" but how the tax money is wasted. Your vehicle related taxes are spent on things like road repair and construction, bike and walking paths along with rail, bus systems and ferry subsidies plus a specific percent must be spent on art. Why not just the road repair and construction?
Now if you really feel that you should pay more in taxes, send a check to the department of revenue for the difference. I'm pretty sure they would love to have your extra money to add to their funds.

I've asked for these and more from my legislators, more than once. I've also asked my legislators to ignore the idiots from Abate, try to show that Abate's short sighted and petty goals do not represent the majority of riders.

- Good that you contact them but you hurt yourself and all of your fellow riders by telling them to ignore another group of riders. It makes it easier to dismiss you and the other group's points. Trying to screw over other rider groups is also a pretty crappy thing to do.
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