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Apr 29th 2018, 09:23 PM   #1
 
  Apr 2018
  Bonney lake

Track Newbie help

Hello, I've recently taken interest in a track bike and have some questions. I no longer own any bikes but recently have been pondering the idea of getting one having a dedicated track bike. Never raced on the track but always wanted to. Ive had my share of liter bikes and 750's. I'm looking at the smaller bikes like the ninja or RC390. Wanted to start small then work my way up.

The first thing I need to do before I decide I want to do this is figure out if this is financially feasible. I understand that there will be money required for things like tires, maintenance, gear, and ect. Is what I am curious about is after all the initial costs and schooling how much it actually costs to race.Do you pay for like a whole season per say or do you pay for a single race?
Apr 30th 2018, 08:14 AM   #2
 unicykle's Avatar
 
  Sep 2017
  milwaukie oregon

  gsxr600 gsxr750 gsxr1000 i like gsxrs
Racing and trackdays are Very different, trackday entry fee is 200-300 dollars a good set of tires is 300-400 and should last 3-5 days on a smaller bike (600cc or less) and about 30-50 in gas per day. As a basic rule id say track days cost about 300-600 a day not including the day off work as they are on weekdays, id recomend a cheap 600cc race bike with some spares like wheels, levers, clipons and such.
Apr 30th 2018, 09:38 AM   #3
 Parilla125's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

There used to be a group that rented race bikes at the track. Might be a good idea to try it first to see if it is for you. That way you don’t put out the expense only to find it is not as great as you thought.
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Apr 30th 2018, 09:40 AM   #4
 
  Apr 2018
  Bonney lake

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Originally Posted by unicykle
Racing and trackdays are Very different, trackday entry fee is 200-300 dollars a good set of tires is 300-400 and should last 3-5 days on a smaller bike (600cc or less) and about 30-50 in gas per day. As a basic rule id say track days cost about 300-600 a day not including the day off work as they are on weekdays, id recomend a cheap 600cc race bike with some spares like wheels, levers, clipons and such.

Great, Thanks, So is that all there is are track days? Obviously I would start out with some track days but I was looking for more specifics of say how much it is to race in the lightweight class..

Sooo regarding the 600cc's. I'm wanting to start with a smaller bike and your suggesting to start with a 600???.. I want to start small to learn to ride the bike hard and focus on corning opposed to speed. Possibly im in the wrong train of thought here. After all that is why I came here for advice.

Thank you for your input it is greatly appreciated.
Apr 30th 2018, 09:42 AM   #5
 
  Apr 2018
  Bonney lake

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Originally Posted by Parilla125
There used to be a group that rented race bikes at the track. Might be a good idea to try it first to see if it is for you. That way you donít put out the expense only to find it is not as great as you thought.
Interesting...
Apr 30th 2018, 09:52 AM   #6
 bumblebeetuna's Avatar
 
  Feb 2016
  Bothell

Small bikes are a blast and i've had more fun on them then my big bikes.

I also chose to race the small bikes cause I am old, sorta... I can't imagine trying to recover from a high speed crash on a big bike. The risk is still there on little bikes, but I think its a lot lower.

I raced a ninja 250 last year. 1800 for the bike. 250 for tires which lasted all race season with wmrra (5 races, skipped 1st round), 1 race round with omrra and a full track day season (The bike got rode a lot, by me or people borrowing it. 10 plus track days Probably 9 sessions a day. 6 is normal). Little bikes don't go through the rubber at all, but you need to worry about heat cycles. Maybe another 200 for random parts, paint repairs etc...

Races are paid per race. For the 250, it's 120 bucks for 2 races with Wmrra. Omrra has 4 races for the weekend. 2 each day. Not sure of their price. However you need to also pay for your license. If you get a license with Wmrra you can go race with omrra and vice versa.

I know you can get a license at any point of the year, but I don't know what the process is since the season has started. You need to contact one of the clubs ASAP if you are truly interested to get the license process started.

250's are great for racing for cheap... However they kinda blow as a dedicated only track bike if you don't plan to race.

300's...

Ninja 300, R3 and RC390 aren't that big of a jump up in terms of bike. You will however take a big hit to the pocket book if you want to be competitive on the race track. 6-8k for a full competitive race bike.

Been considering building a 300 myself, but still can't decide which bike I want to build. In general I've found the bike will run me 3500-4500 and will require another 2500-3500 in crap to get it ready. The RC 390 has more race options with wmrra. Open singles and ultra lightweight super bike. 2 races Saturday, but I question the bikes reliability.

I can't recall actual prices for races for other bikes (250's have a special low rate). Guessing from memory... It starts around 150 for your first race and then the second race for that day is less and the third is even less.

Big bikes to me are whatever you are comfortable with tossing into a dumpster after making a mistake. Tires are more expensive. Price is closer to 360-460 depending on brand. You'll burn through 1 Front and 2 rear tires pretty quick if you are fast. Lots of r6's out there.

Hope that helps.

Edited by bumblebeetuna on Apr 30th 2018 at 10:02 AM
Apr 30th 2018, 10:07 AM   #7
 
  Apr 2018
  Bonney lake

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Originally Posted by bumblebeetuna
Small bikes are a blast and i've had more fun on them then my big bikes.

I also chose to race the small bikes cause I am old, sorta... I can't imagine trying to recover from a high speed crash on a big bike. The risk is still there on little bikes, but I think its a lot lower.

I raced a ninja 250 last year. 1800 for the bike. 250 for tires which lasted all race season with wmrra (5 races, skipped 1st round), 1 race round with omrra and a full track day season (The bike got rode a lot, by me or people borrowing it. 10 plus track days Probably 9 sessions a day. 6 is normal). Little bikes don't go through the rubber at all, but you need to worry about heat cycles. Maybe another 200 for random parts, paint repairs etc...

Races are paid per race. For the 250, it's 120 bucks for 2 races with Wmrra. Omrra has 4 races for the weekend. 2 each day. Not sure of their price. However you need to also pay for your license. If you get a license with Wmrra you can go race with omrra and vice versa.

I know you can get a license at any point of the year, but I don't know what the process is since the season has started. You need to contact one of the clubs ASAP if you are truly interested to get the license process started.

250's are great for racing for cheap... However they kinda blow as a dedicated only track bike if you don't plan to race.

300's...

Ninja 300, R3 and RC390 aren't that big of a jump up in terms of bike. You will however take a big hit to the pocket book if you want to be competitive on the race track. 6-8k for a full competitive race bike.

Been considering building a 300 myself, but still can't decide which bike I want to build. In general I've found the bike will run me 3500-4500 and will require another 2500-3500 in crap to get it ready. The RC 390 has more race options with wmrra. Open singles and ultra lightweight super bike. 2 races Saturday, but I question the bikes reliability.

I can't recall actual prices for races for other bikes (250's have a special low rate). Guessing from memory... It starts around 150 for your first race and then the second race for that day is less and the third is even less.

Big bikes to me are whatever you are comfortable with tossing into a dumpster after making a mistake. Tires are more expensive. Price is closer to 360-460 depending on brand. You'll burn through 1 Front and 2 rear tires pretty quick if you are fast. Lots of r6's out there.

Hope that helps.

Awesome, Thanks!!! This is exactly what I was looking for. In all honesty one of my biggest concerns and reasons for wanting a smaller bike is crashing and recovering from a crash. I DO understand you could still get seriously hurt but I feel you have a lot more room for error on a smaller bike. Like I said ive had bigger bikes in the past. Ive wrecked a few as well. I dont need to go that fast anymore.

With that said I am looking at a few semi race prepped rc390's or considering a auctioned one. I do understand they have there issues. Im willing to deal with those and or hopefully prevent some of them. Whatever I get is going to double as a street legal bike. For the time being.. Obviously gonna have to get and extra set of rims and some converting the day before a day at the track.
Apr 30th 2018, 10:20 AM   #8
 olyk12's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Olympia

  Tiger 800 XCX, DRZ400SM, Sherco 290st, Harley 350 Sprints, etc
The WMRRA first days of racing are this coming weekend in Shelton. Come on out and ask your questions. Also check out all the vendors and ask pricing - the race bike rental place may be there as well.

Steve
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Apr 30th 2018, 10:42 AM   #9
 mars's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  McMinnville, OR

  CB160RR, CB550, SportClassic
For what it's worth, I'm looking to get in to something similar one of these days - a light to middleweight dual-purpose street/track day bike, especially the RC390 - and had this exact conversation with an RC390 racer this weekend. He suggested the new Ninja 400, which should be more reliable, versatile, and cheaper in the long run than the 390 (even though they have supposedly resolved the head gasket issues that plagued those early models).
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Edited by mars on Apr 30th 2018 at 10:52 AM
Apr 30th 2018, 01:17 PM   #10
 mgfchapin's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Kirkland, WA

  Daytona 675R
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Originally Posted by mars
For what it's worth, I'm looking to get in to something similar one of these days - a light to middleweight dual-purpose street/track day bike, especially the RC390 - and had this exact conversation with an RC390 racer this weekend. He suggested the new Ninja 400, which should be more reliable, versatile, and cheaper in the long run than the 390 (even though they have supposedly resolved the head gasket issues that plagued those early models).
Don't get an RC390 unless you're willing to have EDR build you a reliable engine. A 400 will have similar power without even having to open the motor. As an R3 owner, watching WSS300 races makes me sad to see the Yamahas get totally destroyed on the straights, but it's nice to see the class thriving.

Like bumblebeetuna said, small bikes kinda suck at track days. If you think you're only going to race the first year and not do track days, a 250 would be an excellent start. You can sell the bike at the end of the season for what you paid, then move up to (I suggest) an SV650 or FZ07R, depending on your budget. The lightweight twins class is tons of fun, and you can still play with the big boys at track days.

I tracked & raced an SV650 for 7 years before finally going back to a Triumph 675 for this season. I learned so much about corner speed, braking and racecraft on the SV that I don't think I would have picked up as easily riding a middleweight 600. Saving a bunch of money on tires was a bonus too. They don't last the whole season like a 250, but my tire expenses were still probably half of a 600 racer's.
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Apr 30th 2018, 04:41 PM   #11
 unicykle's Avatar
 
  Sep 2017
  milwaukie oregon

  gsxr600 gsxr750 gsxr1000 i like gsxrs
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsx750r93
Great, Thanks, So is that all there is are track days? Obviously I would start out with some track days but I was looking for more specifics of say how much it is to race in the lightweight class..

Sooo regarding the 600cc's. I'm wanting to start with a smaller bike and your suggesting to start with a 600???.. I want to start small to learn to ride the bike hard and focus on corning opposed to speed. Possibly im in the wrong train of thought here. After all that is why I came here for advice.

Thank you for your input it is greatly appreciated.
I would say if you just want to trackday, yes a 600cc, if you want to race lightweight class, get something small and just be happy with what it is. Trackdays are easy go lucky fun and can be as simple as showing up with gear gas and bike.
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Edited by unicykle on Apr 30th 2018 at 04:46 PM
Apr 30th 2018, 08:49 PM   #12
 Burphel's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Travelling around the NW

  Triumph Bonnezilla, Little Ninja
I race a 300 at OMRRA. Bumblebee's economics was about right for racing down here. I will throw out one thing: Ninja 250s and 300 really cost about the same. You probably won't be winning a championship on a 300 vs the R3 and RC390, but you can be in the pack and maybe pick up a podium once in a while. For us, a 400 would bump you into the Lightweight class, which is pretty bare. Also, if you're new to the track, don't race on a new bike unless you're flippin' rich. For track days, riding a 250/300 can be kind of frustrating once you're good enough to get into the intermediate group. You'll run into a fair number of people who really should still be in beginner based on their ability to brake, apex, and hold a line. But boy howdy, they can ride fast in a straight line .

If you're looking at track days, I'd suggest an SV650. Plenty of power and handling to learn on, enough torque to be forgiving of shifting errors, plenty of aftermarket support and a thriving race class if you want to stick with it.
May 1st 2018, 11:37 AM   #13
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle East Side

If you're just starting out at track days, you need to buy a Ducati. Get a one with a BIG motor. Make sure it's brand new, with financing you can barely afford. It should be red. Don't forget a clear clutch cover and some Rizoma parts...the more shiny the better.

You'll need an AGV Pista Rossi helmet and full Dainese leathers so everyone knows you're serious.

Most importantly, remember to tuck the front on your out lap at Turn 3.

Good luck!
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May 1st 2018, 03:25 PM   #14
 Boatdriver's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Washington

  16' Tuono Factory, 15' Kawi Concours
Quote:
Originally Posted by Astair1299
If you're just starting out at track days, you need to buy a Ducati. Get a one with a BIG motor. Make sure it's brand new, with financing you can barely afford. It should be red. Don't forget a clear clutch cover and some Rizoma parts...the more shiny the better.

You'll need an AGV Pista Rossi helmet and full Dainese leathers so everyone knows you're serious.

Most importantly, remember to tuck the front on your out lap at Turn 3.

Good luck!
And at least 3 GoPro cameras to catch every moment
May 1st 2018, 05:27 PM   #15
 
  Apr 2018
  Bonney lake

Thanks for all the input guys. It is all much appreciated and will be take into consideration.
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