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Apr 17th 2018, 07:46 AM   #46
 
  Jan 2016
  Portland

Race Direction (Dorna) is fostering this environment by condoning reckless riding. They need to be consistent in their rule enforcement, but they're driven primarily by $$$$$, so they won't penalize their star rider like he should be.

I'm mostly okay with how they started everyone from the grid, it would be quite dangerous to start the whole pack from pit lane, but they should have given Miller a far bigger head start. Marquez should have been put into pit lane, and should have been disqualified when he ignored the race official that ran out there. If they weren't sure if he got the message, then they should have held the start until he did, and either moved him to pit lane, or DQ'd him.

Dorna's history of letting the stars get away with anything doesn't excuse their continuing to do so. Marquez is good, no denying that, he's also an asshole, and, most importantly, repeatedly endangers the riders around him. He needs a come to Jesus moment before somebody really gets hurt by his antics.
Apr 17th 2018, 02:03 PM   #47
 
  Sep 2016
  Spokane

  02 FZ1 Yamaha, 08 Suzuki GSXR 1000 trackbike, Honda XR200
Argentina

Well, I can agree to a point, unfortunately you have to give a little credit to his x-hero, Rossi for giving him lessons on the punt the other riders off the track to get a win and Rossi in lower motogp classes is guilty of kicking another 250gp rider, and also 2015. All I can say, is lets us be fair, if other riders are misbehaving besides superstar MM, they should be getting the same treatment on penalties, they weren't. Bring the hammer down on everyone or no one, that will stop this in a heartbeat. MM is a rider who pushes harder than anyone, sometimes maybe more than he should, if you cannot take it, Rossi quote when the situation was the reverse, "it is just racing", he is a hypocrite to the tenth power, I will take MM anyday, just blue flag me if he is coming thru the field like a runaway locomotive, what happened to that procedure?
Apr 17th 2018, 04:21 PM   #48
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  Jan 2016
  Travelling around the NW

  Triumph Bonnezilla, Little Ninja
I could be wrong, but I think in the upper levels (GP, WSB) the blue flag is reserved for lap traffic. Basically, it's saying "you've lost already, get out of the way and don't interfere with the guys who are still in it for the win/points." In club racing and track days, if it's used, you're supposed to ride predictably and let the fast guy worry about passing you. Basically, "You're about to get smoked, try not to get spooked and do something stupid."
Apr 17th 2018, 05:15 PM   #49
 
  Sep 2016
  Spokane

  02 FZ1 Yamaha, 08 Suzuki GSXR 1000 trackbike, Honda XR200
Well

That makes sense, but race direction could not tell MM was coming up on his so called competition like a sidewinder missile, and was one of the favorites to win the race. So, blue flag regardless of lapping crap would have been a good indicator to peeps he was going to pass anyway. If it is really about safety, they should use that. just sayin. I don't think after all the penalties they levied against MM that they should expect him to just cruise around in last place. I hope MM kick every-bodies ass before this is all over. He is the best, fastest rider on the planet on the moment, just like Rossi b/4, give him a break--he does not want to hurt others or himself, he is just driven to win.
Apr 17th 2018, 05:19 PM   #50
 
  Sep 2016
  Spokane

  02 FZ1 Yamaha, 08 Suzuki GSXR 1000 trackbike, Honda XR200
oh yeah

Lapped traffic or not, what about the so called safety concern. What a joke. RD officials need some remedial instruction or other riders need to acknowledge that they cannot stop someone who is lapping several seconds a lap faster than them, that is insane. You think Rossi had a chance, nobody had a chance, if they would not have screwed up the start so much. MM would have kicked all their butts by a country mile. I recall races where VR was way behind and they did not contest him, how about the same respect for MM?
Apr 17th 2018, 07:28 PM   #51
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  Jan 2016
  Travelling around the NW

  Triumph Bonnezilla, Little Ninja
Thing is, if he'd kept his cool and ridden clean and smart, Marc could have still won. Ignore his start - stalls happen, and starting from the pitlane vs doing a ride-through are about even. Greasing Espargaro's knee cost him a second or two dropping back the place (which he turned into 2 places). Nascar'ing Rossi cost him 30. He was well under 30 seconds behind Crutchlow in 5th before he was penalized. If he'd altered his line or checked up and passed those two guys cleanly in the next corner, he'd have another win and would have gotten a huge amount of respect for the skill he actually has *and* keeping cool under pressure. Instead, he gets no points and all but his most hardcore fans think he's a dangerous punk (albeit a a really fast one.) And there's still the chance he'll get another penalty either at Austin or later in the season due to cumulative points on his license (remember, that's how Rossi wound up tailgunning Valencia.)

Even in MotoGP, it's still the passer's responsibility to execute a safe pass. If shit goes sideways, it's going to be their fault. Always. The guy in front probably has a general idea that you're coming, but he can't know your speed/trajectory/lean angle.

I'm going to put it out there again. If Karol Abraham had ridden like that, he would have been black flagged and probably wouldn't have a ride at all next year.
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Apr 18th 2018, 05:09 AM   #52
 
  Jan 2016
  Portland

Trying to prevent passes is part of the game, just because someone is faster doesn't mean you have to just let them through. It's the PASSER'S responsibility to do it safely, and Marquez demonstrates, in just about every race, that he won't accept that responsibility. If you can't win without playing bumper cars, then you don't deserve to win.
Apr 18th 2018, 03:54 PM   #53
 
  Sep 2016
  Spokane

  02 FZ1 Yamaha, 08 Suzuki GSXR 1000 trackbike, Honda XR200
Bumper cars

Tell that to Valentino, he won the 2005 race by doing the same kind of shit to Sete Gibernau, not to mention others, aka Stoner and more. Let us dish out the same justice for all, then it will be fair. MM has more than his fair share of contact, that is for sure. But if the officials really gave him a thumbs up after his restart and then made him do a ride thru, they caused their own problem by having him desperate to salvage some points. I can remember races where VR was having to come thru the field and they parted like the red sea to let him by, not these days. Just looking for a little fairness, all things considered.
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