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Jun 7th 2017, 06:53 PM   #1
 
  Jan 2016
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Isle of Man TT

The New York Times website has an interesting "human interest" video showcasing two first-time Isle of Man TT racers. Not much racing video, but the interviews about why one races on a fast, dangerous course are interesting.

https://static01.nyt.com/video/playe...ite/index.html

I hope this link works. (Edited link to try again.)

Edited by FidalgoRob on Jun 8th 2017 at 08:34 PM
Jun 8th 2017, 03:23 PM   #2
 
  Oct 2016
  Yakima

Sounds interesting but the link doesn't work. :-^

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Jun 8th 2017, 04:53 PM   #3
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  Bothell

Thanks for the share.
Jun 9th 2017, 02:02 AM   #4
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  Molalla

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Ah yes... the annual death fest that is the Isle of Mann TT's... I watched the 4 lap superstock "race", and at the end of the broadcast (always the end), the head announcer clown gave way-to-brief details of the deaths of 3 riders. In ONE day. Enough already. With no pun intended...kill that barbaric event. Serves no purpose, only blood sport for those who can't get enough of that cage fighting crap...
Jun 9th 2017, 06:03 AM   #5
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We're all going to die. Don't let that make you afraid to live. I'll take a crash at the TT over colon cancer, stroke, heart attack, emphysema...
Jun 9th 2017, 06:17 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by craiger
Ah yes... the annual death fest that is the Isle of Mann TT's... I watched the 4 lap superstock "race", and at the end of the broadcast (always the end), the head announcer clown gave way-to-brief details of the deaths of 3 riders. In ONE day. Enough already. With no pun intended...kill that barbaric event. Serves no purpose, only blood sport for those who can't get enough of that cage fighting crap...
Though not quite comparing apples to apples; I did notice a slight inconsistency in your views on potentially dangerous activities. Regarding bicycling in traffic, I quote:
"...What, we should just all stay in our houses of glass, protected from the vile cagers out there? Guess what, when you're not riding, you're one of those vile cagers. Share the fucking road. Get off your high horse and show some compassion for someone's father, mother, sister, brother, son, daughter, etc. Just because someone is on a bike does not mean they don't have a car, pay taxes, have kids, a job, contribute to the tax base and on and on.

If you leave the bike in the garage, the terrorists win. And WE are the terrorists. Share the fucking road...
"

Both activities are strictly voluntary. Both activities carry their own risks.
Jun 9th 2017, 09:18 PM   #7
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Yup...you are correct sir in your calling me out as a bit of a hypocrite on this on.. I won't dispute that, spade is a spade kinda thing...however, let me say that choosing or choosing not to live in glass houses is a bit different from entering (yes, voluntary, but it's sanctioned, with prize money and glory), a "race" on public roads that were not designed for vehicles to be travelling at the speeds those bikes are capable of. To me, and I could be wrong, but i think it's a matter of opinion here (hence no right or wrong), that racing against the clock at speeds of 175 MPH on roads that have trees lining them, brick walls as curbs, undulating waves of tarmac and inexperienced riders. Deadly combination, no? Sure, MotoGP racers occasionally get killed, but its waaay less frequently than that death race on the isle. To me, it's about risk management, and the organizers and participants do a great dis-service to all who ride. It makes us all look like irresponsible law-breaking thrill junkies who could care less about the "rules of the road". Just my opinion, like I said, I could very well be full of shit... carry on and thanx for continuing the conversation.
Jun 9th 2017, 10:49 PM   #8
 
  Jan 2016
  Woodinville

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Originally Posted by craiger
Yup...you are correct sir in your calling me out as a bit of a hypocrite on this on.. I won't dispute that, spade is a spade kinda thing...however, let me say that choosing or choosing not to live in glass houses is a bit different from entering (yes, voluntary, but it's sanctioned, with prize money and glory), a "race" on public roads that were not designed for vehicles to be travelling at the speeds those bikes are capable of. To me, and I could be wrong, but i think it's a matter of opinion here (hence no right or wrong), that racing against the clock at speeds of 175 MPH on roads that have trees lining them, brick walls as curbs, undulating waves of tarmac and inexperienced riders. Deadly combination, no? Sure, MotoGP racers occasionally get killed, but its waaay less frequently than that death race on the isle. To me, it's about risk management, and the organizers and participants do a great dis-service to all who ride. It makes us all look like irresponsible law-breaking thrill junkies who could care less about the "rules of the road". Just my opinion, like I said, I could very well be full of shit... carry on and thanx for continuing the conversation.
Funny how people see things differently, I absolutely can't wait to watch the IOM every year, love the race, the people, the beautiful location, I would give my left nut to ride that course, and it is number one on my bucket list to go see. RIP to those who lost their lives and so sorry for the family's. But you probably shouldn't watch the race.

Edited by Jkester92 on Jun 9th 2017 at 11:00 PM
Jun 10th 2017, 08:33 AM   #9
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Quote:
Originally Posted by craiger
Ah yes... the annual death fest that is the Isle of Mann TT's... I watched the 4 lap superstock "race", and at the end of the broadcast (always the end), the head announcer clown gave way-to-brief details of the deaths of 3 riders. In ONE day. Enough already. With no pun intended...kill that barbaric event. Serves no purpose, only blood sport for those who can't get enough of that cage fighting crap...
The Isle of Man TT is the longest running road race in history, having started in 1907 (with a 5 year break due to WWII). It is an important part of the history of motorcycles, especially racing motorcycles. And it is an important event for those of us that are truly passionate about bikes. To say it should be stopped now simply because you think it's "barbaric" shows an attitude no better than those bleeding hearts that think everyone should only do "safe" activities. The same people that want to eliminate motorcycles and hamburgers.

And in reality, sports of all kinds serve no "real purpose", so why not eliminate all of them?
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Jun 10th 2017, 04:02 PM   #10
 
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  Happy Valley

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I find it hard to believe that an annual event that averages a couple of deaths a year continues to happen. It's an awesome race to watch, and I'd love to ride the course some day, but I'd happily do without the thrill if it meant 7 riders (in just the last two years!) would still be alive.
Jun 10th 2017, 08:59 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by DJ LARS
I find it hard to believe that an annual event that averages a couple of deaths a year continues to happen. It's an awesome race to watch, and I'd love to ride the course some day, but I'd happily do without the thrill if it meant 7 riders (in just the last two years!) would still be alive.
You could pretty much say that same thing about all road racing. How many riders have been killed just this year during motorcycle road racing events?

You need to remember that these riders, just like our local one, died doing something they loved. Every one of them threw a leg over that bike knowing the potential outcome. And if you listen to the TT racers, guys like John McGuiness who have been racing for more than a decade, and have lost friends, you would hear their love and passion for the race. You would understand that for them not racing the Isle would we worse than death. And if you listened to their wives, and even several of the widows, they would say the same thing.

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Jun 12th 2017, 09:43 AM   #12
 
  Jan 2016
  Portland

I agree that people should be allowed to do things like Pike's Peak, IOM, climb Everest and space travel (just to name some dangerous things) My biggest problem with IOM is since there is this long history there seems (to me at least) to be this desire to keep it pure to its 1907 roots. Remember, the top speed of a Harley in 1910 was only about 35 mph. In a lot of dangerous activities there is a good deal of preparation and qualification that goes into it. IOM doesn't feel like it does much in terms of safety for the sake of purity.
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Jun 12th 2017, 10:23 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by JohnK
I agree that people should be allowed to do things like Pike's Peak, IOM, climb Everest and space travel (just to name some dangerous things) My biggest problem with IOM is since there is this long history there seems (to me at least) to be this desire to keep it pure to its 1907 roots. Remember, the top speed of a Harley in 1910 was only about 35 mph. In a lot of dangerous activities there is a good deal of preparation and qualification that goes into it. IOM doesn't feel like it does much in terms of safety for the sake of purity.
1. The first IOM TT was won with an average speed of 38mph (which mean speeds of much greater in the straighter sections). The 1907 Matchless that was raced there was capable of top speeds above 80mph. Also, Harley never attended the IOM, though Indian did, and won, in 1911 with an average speed of 44mph.

Remember, those speeds, on those roads and bikes, where just as dangerous as current bikes and speeds on the same roads.

2. Not sure what you think they could possibly do to make it any safer. You can't move houses and buildings, and towns to create runoff. You can't tell people they have to remove fences and walls and hedges from their property just for two weeks out of the year. It's not about preserving the "purity" of the race, but more so the integrity of the race. It's also very important to understand the culture of "real" road racing in Ireland. This is part of who they are, not just some fling.

The other part of your statement, regarding "preparation and qualification" shows that you really don't follow the event very deeply. The community spends the entire year preparing for the event, the riders and teams spend all year preparing for the event, and they set aside an entire week to practice and qualifying. Before being allowed to race at the TT each rider must compete in other races of the Irish Road Race series, they have to prove that they are capable. They don't simply get to jump into riding the TT.
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Jun 12th 2017, 11:22 AM   #14
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geeze..there is an event that happens every day of the year..people die on motorcycles..without racing them even...by some people's logic this means they should be banned...
the only guarantee we have in this life is that we're going to die...I'd rather die on my bike than in a bed riddled with cancer...
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Jun 12th 2017, 01:31 PM   #15
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Historically speaking the safety improvements in racing often come about from demands made by the riders/drivers themselves. Jackie Stewart comes to mind. Not sure if there is a particular rider who holds that position in TT racing.
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