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Jun 12th 2016, 10:27 PM   #1
 
  Jan 2016
  Spokane, WA

  1299 Panigale Anniversario #81/500, 2006 GSX-R 1000
First crash - Lowside at 110 mph

Well after over 5 years of riding and 3 years of track days, finally had my first get off. Thankfully I'm mostly ok, my gear did it's job, although a low side at around 110ish mph still wore through my 1pc alpinestars suit and gloves. Got a pretty good rash on my shoulder and left pinky. Still not sure exactly what happened, felt like I was going the exact pace that I always do coming out of turn 8 and into turn 9 at SCR when the front just gave out completely without warning. Unfortunately I also forgot to turn on my gopro that session. Some pics:





Jun 13th 2016, 01:09 AM   #2
 Damon Mon Wai's Avatar
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

Glad your pretty much ok.

I've never ridden that track so I can't give any insights on what happened... But in have crashed a few times at those speeds at other tracks and have been lucky to not had any serious injuries from them.
Jun 13th 2016, 01:13 AM   #3
 Thumperpilot's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Rome

  SV650S, CRF450R, and others
Ouch!

Ouch. Good thing you're ok. Looks like the leather did its job. Unfortunately, that jacket wasn't all leather...
Jun 13th 2016, 04:12 AM   #4
 ZXtasy's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Moses Lake, WA

  2013 Kawasaki Concours C-14, 2005 ZX-10R Kawasaki (Nekkid), '99 Yamaha TW-200
Suck, glad you can post about this. I have not ridden the track since they reconfigured it.
Looks like you were running Pirellis? SHould not have been the tires, but shoot...day over for the bike.
Jun 13th 2016, 07:19 AM   #5
 
  Jan 2016
  Spokane, WA

  1299 Panigale Anniversario #81/500, 2006 GSX-R 1000
Yes Pirellis, but they are only rosso 2s with a couple track days already on them. I had been starting to find the limits of them before this happened, but this happened so fast without warning I couldn't do anything. It's also a pretty weird place to crash. I know most of you haven't ridden the track, but I've been going there for over 3 years and have never seen anyone else crash there, and the lean angle isn't that high.

Here's an old vid of my second ever track day, just to give you guys an idea of the turn. Obviously I was going much faster yesterday than I was in this video. The turn I crashed in is at about the 1:37 mark.
Jun 13th 2016, 08:52 AM   #6
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  Jan 2016
  Moscow, Idaho

  ZX450r
Damn! Lucky to have gotten out of that in that in relatively good shape! Bike looks like it took a beating though.

How far into the Turn 9? Were you trail-braking fairly deep? If so, probably easy to get in a little too deep/too angled/too much brake. Did the suspension get upset at some point? Were you perhaps off-line (wide) and into maybe some dirtier track? I'm guessing you found the limit of those street tires, or that with some combination of the above. Arm-chair quarterbacking here, so fill us in a bit more if you can.

Maybe take a real close look at the front tire and see if there is any place it looks like it let go/slipped. Spokane is pretty tough on the L side of your tire, especially with repeat track days. You can completely ruin the L side and have a completely usable/good R side.

Going like heck at the last track day I was at--you may need to look into some race tires when you are able to get out again.

Edited by cjohns on Jun 13th 2016 at 08:58 AM
Jun 13th 2016, 09:32 AM   #7
 
  Apr 2016
  Spokane Valley

cjohns,

I came thru right after he went down. Unfortunately too far back to witness it so no insight there but Ryfly can correct me but he was less into T9 as much as he was coming out of T8. When I saw him down it wasn't where you expect to see someone who messed up the T9 entry. We were all quite baffled yesterday.
Jun 13th 2016, 09:35 AM   #8
 
  Jan 2016
  Spokane, WA

  1299 Panigale Anniversario #81/500, 2006 GSX-R 1000
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Originally Posted by cjohns
Damn! Lucky to have gotten out of that in that in relatively good shape! Bike looks like it took a beating though.

How far into the Turn 9? Were you trail-braking fairly deep? If so, probably easy to get in a little too deep/too angled/too much brake. Did the suspension get upset at some point? Were you perhaps off-line (wide) and into maybe some dirtier track? I'm guessing you found the limit of those street tires, or that with some combination of the above. Arm-chair quarterbacking here, so fill us in a bit more if you can.

Maybe take a real close look at the front tire and see if there is any place it looks like it let go/slipped. Spokane is pretty tough on the L side of your tire, especially with repeat track days. You can completely ruin the L side and have a completely usable/good R side.

Going like heck at the last track day I was at--you may need to look into some race tires when you are able to get out again.
I was just tipping it into turn 9 and still on the throttle so no trail braking. That just makes it even more odd that the front gave out. I didn't feel like my line or pace was any different than I always do. I did notice after the first session my rear tire didn't look like it normally does after being on track. It didn't have that balled up rubber or "waves of sand" look you usually get. It looked clean like I had been riding on the street. I'm thinking the multiple heat cycles the tires had between sessions on multiple track days probably hardened them up a good amount. Sucks too cause I have a brand new pair of rosso corsas waiting to be put on.

It was awesome riding with you @cjohns and your friend a couple months ago. Definitely humbled me after you passed me on your 450cc 600 Lol. Looking forward to getting back out there asap, although I'm not sure if it will be this year.
Jun 13th 2016, 11:08 AM   #9
 uhoh's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Tri-Cities, dry side of Washington

  Kawasaki C-14
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Originally Posted by ZXtasy
Suck, glad you can post about this.

YES!

Keep going!
Jun 13th 2016, 11:10 AM   #10
 
  Jan 2016
  Grants Pass Oregon

Ryfly, how does the insurance work if you go
down while on the track,is there insurance for track riding and is it different
than street insurance. does regular insurance also cover the track?
Happy to hear you are ok.
Jun 13th 2016, 12:03 PM   #11
 no splat matt's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Beaverton

  With a grin on my face
Glad your OKish and that this happened on a track! Heel up soon.
Jun 13th 2016, 05:22 PM   #12
 SmokeyMcNug's Avatar
 
  May 2016
  Olympia, WA

  1996 Kat 600 "Ras-tana"
Wow. glad u are ok. sad about the bike but bikes will come and go. your life is once. i need to get some gear myself.



Quote:
Originally Posted by bnalz
Ryfly, how does the insurance work if you go
down while on the track,is there insurance for track riding and is it different
than street insurance. does regular insurance also cover the track?
Happy to hear you are ok.
this is a great question. being new(ish) to bikes, there are a lot of things legally i am unsure of and am learning.
Jun 13th 2016, 05:34 PM   #13
 bumblebeetuna's Avatar
 
  Feb 2016
  Bothell

Partaking in a track day school situation is a lot different then participating in club racing... I've heard some health insurance won't cover club racing. Track days are a GREY area with most insurance companies. Call your specific company/agent and ask. Some will specifically say yes n no's n some have no clue. I've had State Farm tell me nope not covered n or will have some issues potentially if I do file a claim, while my friend claims his State Farm agent says yes he is covered no problem go crash it up... ( I told him to crash his bike so we could find out for sure, he wasn't up to that test).

Its best to just not crash
Jun 14th 2016, 09:34 AM   #14
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  Jan 2016
  Pullman, WA

  '73 CB350F, '86 VFR750F, '00 Aprilia RS250, '04 Aprilia RSV1000 R Factory(x2), '07 Star 1100 Classic
Quote:
Originally Posted by bnalz
Ryfly, how does the insurance work if you go
down while on the track,is there insurance for track riding and is it different
than street insurance. does regular insurance also cover the track?
Happy to hear you are ok.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokeyMcNug
this is a great question. being new(ish) to bikes, there are a lot of things legally i am unsure of and am learning.
Your insurance may vary, as coverage can, but *my* insurance agent has assured me that I am covered at track days, as they are considered to be "learning experience" or "supplemental riding practice" on a closed course, as long as they are not timed and they are not any sort of structured competition. After all, *nobody* in the history of track days has ever "won" a track day...personal victories and milestones not withstanding.

For all practical purposes, they are considered no different than an MSF training course.

Again, not all agents or companies will agree, but *my* agents underwriter has twice verified this for us. If you would like me to put you in touch with her so you know you're covered at the track, PM me. Local offices in Pullman, Spokane, and Spokane Valley, BTW.
Jun 14th 2016, 11:48 AM   #15
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  Jan 2016
  Moses Lake, WA

  2013 Kawasaki Concours C-14, 2005 ZX-10R Kawasaki (Nekkid), '99 Yamaha TW-200
What crash? What's a track day? He had it parked outside Starbucks, (it is a Gixxer after all), and he came out 2 hours later and it was on its side and looked like this!!! Obvious soccer mom hit and run....file a claim!
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