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Nov 7th 2019, 05:05 AM   #31
 
  Apr 2017
  Seattle

  DL650A
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Originally Posted by Oregon Motorcycle
... I caught myself expecting the “phone delay” at a light the other day ...
Reasons why I don't think we'll see REAL reform any time soon (and I believe in government!):

- it's hard to enforce

- cell phone lobby

- the public will bitch and moan

- business people will bitch and moan even more loudly

- cops use cell phones in their personal vehicles (after all, they're cops and laws don't apply to them)

- but mostly, ---> politicians want to use cell phones while driving <---
Nov 7th 2019, 09:35 AM   #32
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  Jan 2016
  Northeast Olalla

  07 Guzzi
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Originally Posted by Bald Guy

Seems to me we are overestimating our abilities and are riding to what we perceive our abilities to be rather than accepting we are of average abilities and riding accordingly.
Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

When we teach the Advance Rider Course (MSF) the students are asked to rate their skills, risk taking, likelihood of a crash, response to peer pressure, and how much they mentor new riders. They are also asked to relate a recent risky or stupid thing that they have done with a motorcycle.

It is always interesting to see how the students perform after making their estimates. It is also telling on what "war story" they opt to share.

As the rider coach, I make sure to go last so as to not pollute the results. The numbers tend to come in a lot lower when the R-C goes first.
Nov 7th 2019, 01:18 PM   #33
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  Jan 2016
  Muklilteo, WA

  Suzuki DL1000, Honda XR650R, KTM 250 XC-W
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Seems to me we are overestimating our abilities and are riding to what we perceive our abilities to be rather than accepting we are of average abilities and riding accordingly.
Even sadder, underestimating the capabilities of modern bikes and tires. It is sad to hear of a guy riding off the outside of a turn into a solid object because he got in hot, but probably could have made the turn had he just tried! A strong argument for track day training.
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Nov 10th 2019, 11:15 AM   #34
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  Apr 2016
  Olympia

  2014 KTM 690 / BMW R1150 GS
About half the people on the roads have no business driving, be it motorcycle or cars, ask any trucker, who can see exactly what every driver is doing, the cars with the dark windows are the worst...The majority of people are holding cell phones. And this is just one issue on the roads.. motorcycle riders are no different, except for cell phones. in fact they are more aggressive and ride much faster, don't follow the rules of the road in general.
That's why we have non stop accidents..
Mar 22nd 2020, 06:59 AM   #35
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  Jul 2018
  Mill Creek

  06 SV650S
I can confirm this. Traditional BRC Class to get your permit. Then you can take a second class to get your endorsement. Or some mix of two classes. For the Endorsement, there are only two riding tests. They are longer and faster than the ones on the Permit, but fractionally at best.

I have seen someone I know get their permit and endorsement done in two weekends up in Everett this month. The second class for him was big, he learned a lot and went from tip over Andy to motorcycle Joe. So... It's a step in the right direction I think.
Mar 25th 2020, 05:34 PM   #36
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  Jan 2016
  Kennewick

  Versys 1000 SE LT+, Ural Patrol and a shit load of BN125
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I can confirm this. Traditional BRC Class to get your permit. Then you can take a second class to get your endorsement. Or some mix of two classes. For the Endorsement, there are only two riding tests. They are longer and faster than the ones on the Permit, but fractionally at best.

I have seen someone I know get their permit and endorsement done in two weekends up in Everett this month. The second class for him was big, he learned a lot and went from tip over Andy to motorcycle Joe. So... It's a step in the right direction I think.
No need to take a class as the tests can still be challenged. Most (in my experience) are taking a class to get their permit since they can use our bikes for the class and the permit test, then come back on their bike to take the endorsement skills.

Still a new thing, so stats may change.
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