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May 23rd 2016, 04:57 PM   #1
 Chrishil54's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Kirkland

  2009 V-Star 1100 Custom
Riding with a young child...

Some friends were asking me about giving their child a ride around the block as she apparently really likes her "uncah's big boy bike". I'm hesitant to give anybody rides if they are under 18 (other than my own kids/grandkids), but it did get me thinking about legal requirements.

I know they have to be at least 5 and have a helmet but what other requirements are there for young children? No offense but I'm not interested in opinions (everyone has their own), but actual legal requirements. If you want to discuss opinions, feel free to start a new thread or to PM me.
May 23rd 2016, 05:11 PM   #2
 Rainman's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Bot Hell, WA

  BMW S1000RR, BMW R1200RT, Suzuki DR650SE
Not opinion, but truth.
You could have looked this up if you didn't want opinions.

Google is your friend:
RCW 46.37.530: Motorcycles, motor-driven cycles, mopeds, electric-assisted bicycles?Helmets, other equipment?Children?Rules.

RCW 46.37.530

Motorcycles, motor-driven cycles, mopeds, electric-assisted bicycles—Helmets, other equipment—Children—Rules.
(1) It is unlawful:
(a) For any person to operate a motorcycle, moped, or motor-driven cycle not equipped with mirrors on the left and right sides which shall be so located as to give the driver a complete view of the highway for a distance of at least two hundred feet to the rear of the motorcycle, moped, or motor-driven cycle: PROVIDED, That mirrors shall not be required on any motorcycle or motor-driven cycle over twenty-five years old originally manufactured without mirrors and which has been restored to its original condition and which is being ridden to or from or otherwise in conjunction with an antique or classic motorcycle contest, show, or other such assemblage: PROVIDED FURTHER, That no mirror is required on any motorcycle manufactured prior to January 1, 1931;
(b) For any person to operate a motorcycle, moped, or motor-driven cycle which does not have a windshield unless wearing glasses, goggles, or a face shield of a type conforming to rules adopted by the state patrol;
(c) For any person to operate or ride upon a motorcycle, motor-driven cycle, or moped on a state highway, county road, or city street unless wearing upon his or her head a motorcycle helmet except when the vehicle is an antique motor-driven cycle or when the vehicle is equipped with all of the following:
(i) Steering wheel;
(ii) Seat belts that conform to standards prescribed under 49 C.F.R. Part 571; and
(iii) Partially or completely enclosed seating area for the driver and passenger that is certified by the manufacturer as meeting the standards prescribed under 49 C.F.R. Sec. 571.216.
The motorcycle helmet neck or chin strap must be fastened securely while the motorcycle, moped, or motor-driven cycle is in motion. Persons operating electric-assisted bicycles and motorized foot scooters shall comply with all laws and regulations related to the use of bicycle helmets;
(d) For any person to transport a child under the age of five on a motorcycle or motor-driven cycle;
(e) For any person to sell or offer for sale a motorcycle helmet that does not meet the requirements established by this section.
(2) The state patrol may adopt and amend rules concerning standards for glasses, goggles, and face shields.
(3) For purposes of this section, "motorcycle helmet" means a protective covering for the head consisting of a hard outer shell, padding adjacent to and inside the outer shell, and a neck or chin strap type retention system, with the manufacturer's certification applied in accordance with 49 C.F.R. Sec. 571.218 indicating that the motorcycle helmet meets standards established by the United States department of transportation.
May 24th 2016, 05:50 PM   #3
 Chrishil54's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Kirkland

  2009 V-Star 1100 Custom
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rainman
Not opinion, but truth.
You could have looked this up if you didn't want opinions.

Google is your friend:
RCW 46.37.530: Motorcycles, motor-driven cycles, mopeds, electric-assisted bicycles?Helmets, other equipment?Children?Rules.

RCW 46.37.530

Motorcycles, motor-driven cycles, mopeds, electric-assisted bicycles—Helmets, other equipment—Children—Rules.
(1) It is unlawful:
(a) For any person to operate a motorcycle, moped, or motor-driven cycle not equipped with mirrors on the left and right sides which shall be so located as to give the driver a complete view of the highway for a distance of at least two hundred feet to the rear of the motorcycle, moped, or motor-driven cycle: PROVIDED, That mirrors shall not be required on any motorcycle or motor-driven cycle over twenty-five years old originally manufactured without mirrors and which has been restored to its original condition and which is being ridden to or from or otherwise in conjunction with an antique or classic motorcycle contest, show, or other such assemblage: PROVIDED FURTHER, That no mirror is required on any motorcycle manufactured prior to January 1, 1931;
(b) For any person to operate a motorcycle, moped, or motor-driven cycle which does not have a windshield unless wearing glasses, goggles, or a face shield of a type conforming to rules adopted by the state patrol;
(c) For any person to operate or ride upon a motorcycle, motor-driven cycle, or moped on a state highway, county road, or city street unless wearing upon his or her head a motorcycle helmet except when the vehicle is an antique motor-driven cycle or when the vehicle is equipped with all of the following:
(i) Steering wheel;
(ii) Seat belts that conform to standards prescribed under 49 C.F.R. Part 571; and
(iii) Partially or completely enclosed seating area for the driver and passenger that is certified by the manufacturer as meeting the standards prescribed under 49 C.F.R. Sec. 571.216.
The motorcycle helmet neck or chin strap must be fastened securely while the motorcycle, moped, or motor-driven cycle is in motion. Persons operating electric-assisted bicycles and motorized foot scooters shall comply with all laws and regulations related to the use of bicycle helmets;
(d) For any person to transport a child under the age of five on a motorcycle or motor-driven cycle;
(e) For any person to sell or offer for sale a motorcycle helmet that does not meet the requirements established by this section.
(2) The state patrol may adopt and amend rules concerning standards for glasses, goggles, and face shields.
(3) For purposes of this section, "motorcycle helmet" means a protective covering for the head consisting of a hard outer shell, padding adjacent to and inside the outer shell, and a neck or chin strap type retention system, with the manufacturer's certification applied in accordance with 49 C.F.R. Sec. 571.218 indicating that the motorcycle helmet meets standards established by the United States department of transportation.
Thanks for posted the statue that says the same basic thing, just in a lot more words. Oh well, if you had behaved any differently, I'd have wondered what happened to the real Rainman.
May 25th 2016, 06:33 AM   #4
 Arnbo's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Ferndale Washington

  ZX10-R GSXR 600 Track Bike
I remember riding on my uncles Honda 305 when I was 4 years old.
Growing up we never wore helmets riding our BMX bikes Seatbelts were those
Things under the seats.How about riding in the back of a pickup truck?
Something you do not see anymore ,But lots of people grew up doing it!

Times have changed and you need to cover all your legal bases
Sometimes you just gotta live ................
May 25th 2016, 10:46 AM   #5
 
  Jan 2016
  98031

  2014 HD Street Glide Special FLHXS
the only other thing I found when researching this initially was that the child's feet had to reach the passenger footpegs.

I've been taking my daughter to and from daycare / school on motorcycle occasionally since she turned 5, and occasionally take her for longer rides as well. She has full gear (boots, some kids MX pants, leather jacket, helmet) and is a MUCH better passenger than my wife.
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May 25th 2016, 11:21 AM   #6
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  Jan 2016
  Redmond, WA

If they're 5 years old and their feet can reach the foot pegs, they're legal (with a helmet of course).

That said, I will ride with my own daughter because she has experience riding with me on dirtbikes. I have taught her to hold on securely, and communicate with me any discomforts or concerns she has. I would not be comfortable putting someone else's young child on the back of my bike. Even something like them shifting around to get comfortable at the wrong time can throw off your balance.
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May 25th 2016, 08:51 PM   #7
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  Jan 2016
  Pasco, WA

  nothing anymore =(
Quote:
Originally Posted by wagunner
...their feet can reach the foot pegs...
Not arguing against that (as i personally consider it pretty dumb to not be able to reach the pegs), but I've never found the regulation that states the passenger's feet must reach the pegs. I have found where the bike is required to have a second set of pegs if there's a passenger. just not where the passenger is required to be able to reach/use them.
May 25th 2016, 11:34 PM   #8
 wagunner's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Redmond, WA

Quote:
Originally Posted by riceman
Not arguing against that (as i personally consider it pretty dumb to not be able to reach the pegs), but I've never found the regulation that states the passenger's feet must reach the pegs. I have found where the bike is required to have a second set of pegs if there's a passenger. just not where the passenger is required to be able to reach/use them.
I can't find the official regulation, but it is specifically mentioned on the DOL website:
WA State Licensing (DOL) Official Site:How to get your 2-wheel motorcycle license endorsement or instruction permit

"Can my child be a passenger on my motorcycle?
Yes, if they’re at least 5 years old and able to reach the foot pegs."
May 26th 2016, 08:11 AM   #9
 Nathan's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  space needle

the kid will always remember it

so glad I grew up in the time period that I did when people weren't so f'n anal. I was one of those kids who always begged for a ride whenever a mc came in sight. I managed to hitch lots of rides when I was little, riding on the gas tank with hands on the inner part of the handlebars. Can't remember exactly how old I was but I still remember the day I was running a lemonade stand and a motorcyclist stopped by for a drink, of course I begged for a ride, then had to beg mom to let him take me for a ride around the block. good memories.
May 26th 2016, 11:49 PM   #10
 Parilla125's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arnbo
How about riding in the back of a pickup truck?
Something you do not see anymore ,But lots of people grew up doing it!

Times have changed and you need to cover all your legal bases
Sometimes you just gotta live ................
Yeahhh, well, back in the 70's I turned down a ride in the back of a PU and the guy rolled it over about a half hour later with four people in the back. A couple of them got pretty screwed up.
There are reasons they make laws like they do...
May 27th 2016, 07:03 AM   #11
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  Jan 2016
  Ferndale Washington

  ZX10-R GSXR 600 Track Bike
[QUOTE=Parilla125;17181]Yeahhh, well, back in the 70's I turned down a ride in the back of a PU and the guy rolled it over about a half hour later with four people in the back. A couple of them got pretty screwed up.
There are reasons they make laws like they do...

Really?
May 27th 2016, 01:37 PM   #12
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  Mar 2016
  PNW

  Ducati ST4s, Ducati Monster, R1 CLE
Quote:
Originally Posted by Parilla125
Yeahhh, well, back in the 70's I turned down a ride in the back of a PU and the guy rolled it over about a half hour later with four people in the back. A couple of them got pretty screwed up.
There are reasons they make laws like they do...
The reason why those people were hurt was not because they were riding in the back of a truck, but because the idiot driving it turned it over
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