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May 16th 2018, 02:38 PM   #16
 DocB's Avatar
 
  Feb 2016
  Poulsbo, WA

  Aprilia RSV Mille, CB77 (AMA Nat'l landspeed record holder), CB750K, CB750F
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(in theory)
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...driving-crash/
May 18th 2018, 12:05 AM   #17
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Triumph Street Twin
A few years ago, some idiot t-boned me full speed there. Luckily I was driving an old Mercedes with a steel beam in the door, so I ended up unharmed. Total disaster area.
May 18th 2018, 11:01 AM   #18
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  Jan 2016
  Des Moines

  M1200S, VFR800, XR650R & GSXR750
And another one...that's three in one week!

May 18th 2018, 11:20 AM   #19
 
  Apr 2016
  WA



Keep them coming. This is great!
May 18th 2018, 12:06 PM   #20
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  600RR
you're gonna develop PTSD form all the collisions you hear.
May 18th 2018, 06:07 PM   #21
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  Jan 2016
  Des Moines

  M1200S, VFR800, XR650R & GSXR750
Crashing noises outside definitely have all of us jumping to the window. The train giving us a 4 on the richter scale ever couple of hours though, that is stress inducing! Nine years in that building and I've never gotten used to it.
May 18th 2018, 09:06 PM   #22
 
  Mar 2018
  Gig Harbor

  2008 BMW R1200GS Adventure
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Originally Posted by paradox206
I work right across the street from here and I can't believe the city hasn't blocked left turns here yet. And I know I shouldn't be shocked, but the slow or uncaring response from the cagers that caused the accidents are sickening.

From Friday:

From Today:

Today's Kia driver REALLY pisses me off, as he just steps out of his car, looks at the damage to his car, looks at the rider for a second and then gets back in his car. I know there were things the riders could have done to avoid these crashes, but GRRRRRR!!!

I'm so glad my company is moving...
The Kia driver is an asshat for sure. Another oblivious idiot.

But don't be too surprised when people are kind of ineffective/non-reactive in an emergency. A lot of people just have no idea what to do (mentally).

But that definitely needs to be resolved. Start posting it on social media and tagging the different Seattle pages (city council, police, mayor, etc).

No one wants to be the one that suggests making traffic worse (by losing a turn), but they REALLY don't want to look like they're ignoring people getting hurt and killed.
May 18th 2018, 09:59 PM   #23
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
Not saying that this happened in any of these videos but here is a contributor to this type of collision. When traffic has slowed or stopped and a motorist is trying to cross the lanes for access to a side street, parking lot, or trying to exit same, it is not uncommon for a polite motorist to yield space and wave them through. While a nice gesture, it is a recipe for trouble. The yielding driver cannot predict the actions of oncoming motorists, nor can the driver trying for access always see oncoming hazards. Multiple lanes exacerbate this problem. The same applies to pedestrians on multiple lane crosswalks. Think before you act.
May 18th 2018, 10:26 PM   #24
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  Jan 2016
  Des Moines

  M1200S, VFR800, XR650R & GSXR750
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Originally Posted by Didley
The Kia driver is an asshat for sure. Another oblivious idiot.

But don't be too surprised when people are kind of ineffective/non-reactive in an emergency. A lot of people just have no idea what to do (mentally).

But that definitely needs to be resolved. Start posting it on social media and tagging the different Seattle pages (city council, police, mayor, etc).

No one wants to be the one that suggests making traffic worse (by losing a turn), but they REALLY don't want to look like they're ignoring people getting hurt and killed.
The people filming always links these to the SPD twitter account and many emails have been sent to various departments. People have also been in contact with the main navigation app developers too (which people believe is a reason for the occurrence increase in recent years). Many emails from concerned employees and lobbying from companies finally got us a flashing crosswalk sign down the street, so it is effective if you're persistent (and enough people get into accidents).
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May 19th 2018, 06:44 AM   #25
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
i see people fuck up often trying to be overly polite. what normally happens is they end up doing something everyone else doesn't expect. i think that being predictable is the most important aspect of driving. we assume people are going to behave in certain ways on the road, and when they diverge from that we have to get creative and respond pretty quickly to things we are not mentally prepared for. when i was teaching my kids to drive i drilled it into them to always be predictable, signal, and if you miss your turn to go to the next safe turn and then come back rather than swerving across lanes or something. as a rider that is what I want from drivers: just be fucking predictable, stick to the normal driving patterns, and for fucks sake SIGNAL. Oh, and this: don't fucking "help" me. Just do what you're doing, and I'll take care of me.

My philosophy for motorcycle/car interactions is that I want them over before the driver even knows they happened. I want to go by and be headed away before the driver can even try and react to my presence.
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May 19th 2018, 12:58 PM   #26
 
  Mar 2018
  Gig Harbor

  2008 BMW R1200GS Adventure
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i see people fuck up often trying to be overly polite. what normally happens is they end up doing something everyone else doesn't expect. i think that being predictable is the most important aspect of driving. we assume people are going to behave in certain ways on the road, and when they diverge from that we have to get creative and respond pretty quickly to things we are not mentally prepared for. when i was teaching my kids to drive i drilled it into them to always be predictable, signal, and if you miss your turn to go to the next safe turn and then come back rather than swerving across lanes or something. as a rider that is what I want from drivers: just be fucking predictable, stick to the normal driving patterns, and for fucks sake SIGNAL. Oh, and this: don't fucking "help" me. Just do what you're doing, and I'll take care of me.

My philosophy for motorcycle/car interactions is that I want them over before the driver even knows they happened. I want to go by and be headed away before the driver can even try and react to my presence.
EXACTLY. Please do not be "nice" in traffic and suddenly surrender right-of-way. I HATE when people do this. I'm talking about the people that will suddenly stop so someone can get into the lane from a side street.

No. That's not how it works and they're just going to get themselves rear-ended or someone behind them is going to get rear-ended.

If traffic is at a stop and you want to wave someone in before you start going again, that's fine. But the people that stop/slow-down right-of-way traffic so they can look like some type of niceness vigilante are a blight on the roads.

But you know... not like I care much... :P
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May 19th 2018, 02:51 PM   #27
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  Apr 2016
  PDX

  2018 Kawasaki Z900RS
In first vid, legal fault may be with car driver (possibly some for Moto if he was speeding).

But, practically speaking, the Moto must pay more attention to the situation around him. And that has nothing to do with it being a Moto. Same would be true for car, bike, and pedestrian in that situation.

Multiple red flags: most obviously, there are two independent blind spots in play. Car canít see Moto (Moto must pay attention when Moto May be in a blind spot). Moto approaching intersection and canít see whether or not someone might be making a left turn (again, Moto must be aware when situated like that).

Thatís MSF 101 stuff, and itís what my daughter is learning in regular drivers ed.

Then, there is heavy traffic and maybe rush hour, with a wide open lane next to a bunch of stopped lanes. Several weird things can happen under those conditions, including one of the cars in the same direction abruptly pulling out into moto guyís lane.

Moto Guy may not be at fault legally, but he was riding as if he was on a country lane, when he was actually surrounded by risk. That accident was completely avoidable.


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May 19th 2018, 06:20 PM   #28
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
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Originally Posted by Halbie
... with a wide open lane next to a bunch of stopped lanes. Several weird things can happen under those conditions, including one of the cars in the same direction abruptly pulling out ...
i HATE that shit, too. people find themselves in a line and the next lane seems to be inching slightly faster so they pop out to get a momentary advantage and so the lane that appears to be open is not really. it's sort of a trap, a minefield.

May 21st 2018, 05:48 PM   #29
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  Jan 2016
  Here

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Originally Posted by Didley
EXACTLY. Please do not be "nice" in traffic and suddenly surrender right-of-way. I HATE when people do this. I'm talking about the people that will suddenly stop so someone can get into the lane from a side street.
Bleccch. Was put in mind of this thread this afternoon, when, in the space of 1/2 hour cars on two different occasions on main drags stopped so I could pull out from a side street. This would be fine, and in fact the correct thing to do if and only if traffic ahead of them is backed up and to do otherwise would result in blocking the intersection. But that wasn't the case either time. In the first instance there was no one behind the car and no reason why he couldn't just go by. In the second cars were backed up behind him so in some vague sense he was doing me a favor, but he shouldn't have been.

And conversely, a short while earlier a guy in a truck tried to intimidate me into not getting onto I-5 from one of those onramps that rapidly turns into an offramp... deliberately moving forward as if to tailgate the car in front of him and block me, despite the fact that he was himself getting off and to let me on would have cost him nothing; not even moving him "back" one length. I just shook my head in disbelief and moved in anyway. Made the mistake of making eye contact as he went off to my right and of course he flipped me off.

The point all this -- within the span of one Portland hour -- is that people are using driving as a mode of self-expression: either of their benevolence or misanthropy. When all they really need to do is fucking pay attention, behave predictably, and mind the rules of the road.
May 21st 2018, 06:57 PM   #30
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  Jan 2016
  Garden Home

  2012 Versys...'83 BMW R80 RT...Suzuki GS 450t
Queen Anne Hill almost got me back in 1959 at this place...I was riding my bicycle from Ward across Taylor onto Aloha...never been quite sure what happened but I hit the wall on the left with the right side of the back of my head and was in a coma for 8 days...at one point the priest came in and gave me my last rites...

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6271.../data=!3m1!1e3

btw..Ellliot wasn't so bad back then...

Edited by chadams66 on May 21st 2018 at 07:01 PM
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