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Aug 22nd 2018, 05:29 PM   #1
 Andonon's Avatar
 
  Jul 2018
  Mill Creek

  06 SV650S
Is it legal for wasp to use their personal cars for traffic stops?

Just curious. Remember that crooked cop Ken Nolan who was letting his friends into Seahawks games for free as a wsp captain, and got demoted. That guys using his personal ride to pull people over on city streets. Not even on the highway.

Edited by Andonon on Aug 22nd 2018 at 05:34 PM Reason: Typo
Aug 23rd 2018, 08:53 AM   #2
 
  Apr 2016
  Bellingham

  K12RS, KTM 1290
How do you know that?
It's not recommend any trooper do that I'm sure, unless it's an emergency situation.
They are the Washington State Patrol, not Highway Patrol.
Aug 23rd 2018, 09:36 AM   #3
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  Jan 2016
  Moses Lake, WA

  2013 Kawasaki Concours C-14, 2005 ZX-10R Kawasaki (Nekkid), '99 Yamaha TW-200
Had an Idaho State trooper pull me over in his personal vehicle and arrest me. They are commissioned to do that on any road int eh state, towns, counties.
Aug 23rd 2018, 09:58 AM   #4
 
  Jan 2016
  Lynnwood WA

  2007 Yamaha FZ6, 2008 Aprilia Tuono & 2009 Yamaha WR250R
Yup, State Patrol means just that, they patrol the entire state.
Aug 23rd 2018, 02:30 PM   #5
 Bald Guy's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Kennewick

  KTM SAR Husqvarna Strada, Ural Patrol and a shit load of BN125
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Originally Posted by ZXtasy
Had an Idaho State trooper pull me over in his personal vehicle and arrest me. They are commissioned to do that on any road int eh state, towns, counties.
How did they compel you to pull over?
Aug 23rd 2018, 02:54 PM   #6
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  600RR
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Originally Posted by Bald Guy
How did they compel you to pull over?
I was going to ask this as well, and why would you pull over, it could be anybody with a fake uniform.
Aug 23rd 2018, 04:03 PM   #7
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  Jan 2016
  Moses Lake, WA

  2013 Kawasaki Concours C-14, 2005 ZX-10R Kawasaki (Nekkid), '99 Yamaha TW-200
Well I guess technically he did not pull me over, he called ahead and had the city Barney Fife do a road block...one road in town. He directed me to wait. I know now I could have pressed him to charge me and arrest me or let me proceed, but I was naive. 5 minutes later the ISP in his lil truck came roaring up as he had to go home and drop off his wife, and then he cuffed and stuffed me for allegedly reckless driving. He personally impounded my bike and the county sheriff booked me. Have not been back to St. Maries ever since.
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Aug 25th 2018, 09:02 AM   #8
 Andonon's Avatar
 
  Jul 2018
  Mill Creek

  06 SV650S
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Originally Posted by Bald Guy
How did they compel you to pull over?
I have a lot to lose. He got right on me and had a snap of my license. Iím about to tuck my plate away under an illegal fender eliminator so I have better opportunities. Stock bike still needs tweaks.
Aug 25th 2018, 10:49 AM   #9
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
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Originally Posted by Andonon
Iím about to tuck my plate away under an illegal fender eliminator...
An illegal plate mount gives LEO the right to pull you over. Hence the word "illegal." So let's say he lights you up. You now have two options; stop and get a warning or a citation or, run for it.

If you run there are multiple possible outcomes. You might get away. Then again you might crash and hurt or kill yourself. You might crash and hurt or kill someone else. The cop might crash with the same possible result. You might get caught, lose your license and your bike and end up in the slammer and poorer ($) for the experience. Maybe get fired from your job. Maybe have a tough time getting another job with whatever ends up on your record.

Most of us have done some things that would get us a ticket. If you do and get caught, man up and take responsibility for your actions. If you want to drag a knee and wheelie at high speeds, take advantage of a track day. It's cheaper than the other options and you might learn something.
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Aug 25th 2018, 01:28 PM   #10
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  Jan 2016
  Kennewick

  KTM SAR Husqvarna Strada, Ural Patrol and a shit load of BN125
RCW 46.61.024
Attempting to elude police vehicleóDefenseóLicense revocation.
(1) Any driver of a motor vehicle who willfully fails or refuses to immediately bring his or her vehicle to a stop and who drives his or her vehicle in a reckless manner while attempting to elude a pursuing police vehicle, after being given a visual or audible signal to bring the vehicle to a stop, shall be guilty of a class C felony. The signal given by the police officer may be by hand, voice, emergency light, or siren. The officer giving such a signal shall be in uniform and the vehicle shall be equipped with lights and sirens.
(2) It is an affirmative defense to this section which must be established by a preponderance of the evidence that: (a) A reasonable person would not believe that the signal to stop was given by a police officer; and (b) driving after the signal to stop was reasonable under the circumstances.
(3) The license or permit to drive or any nonresident driving privilege of a person convicted of a violation of this section shall be revoked by the department of licensing.


So if they are not in uniform and the car is without lights and siren, you are under no obligation to stop.
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Aug 25th 2018, 08:55 PM   #11
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  Jul 2018
  Mill Creek

  06 SV650S
Thanks Bald Guy. Good info.

Hahaha 307T. You don’t wave at other street bikes do you? Sounds like you kind a hate them hooligans. Sounds like you’ve never been to a track day. Keep it real dude. You should do a track day.

What you said is disgraceful. You make it sound like track days are for racers or people who want to stunt and run from the cops. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Edited by Andonon on Aug 25th 2018 at 08:57 PM Reason: Typo
Aug 26th 2018, 01:07 AM   #12
 no splat matt's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Beaverton

  With a grin on my face
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andonon
Thanks Bald Guy. Good info.

Hahaha 307T. You donít wave at other street bikes do you? Sounds like you kind a hate them hooligans. Sounds like youíve never been to a track day. Keep it real dude. You should do a track day.

What you said is disgraceful. You make it sound like track days are for racers or people who want to stunt and run from the cops. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Hmm. Member since July 2018? I'm pretty sure 307T has "been around the block" (no disrespect intended T). You, my boy, know not of what you speak.
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Aug 26th 2018, 01:12 AM   #13
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
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Originally Posted by Andonon
What you said is disgraceful. You make it sound like track days are for racers or people who want to stunt and run from the cops. Nothing could be further from the truth.
You know, you're right Andonon. The second paragraph I wrote was a little too preachy. I apologize for that.

On the other hand, what I said about having something illegal about your bike or doing something like running if a cop lights you up is true. I also said that we all have done things that could have warranted citations. And no, I don't like hooligans because they bring unwanted and unnecessary attention to the rest of us. As far as waving to other rider's or doing track time, I have met those qualifications easily.
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Edited by 307T on Aug 28th 2018 at 09:12 PM
Aug 26th 2018, 03:37 AM   #14
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  Jul 2018
  Mill Creek

  06 SV650S
I didn’t mean to be rude to you 307T or to Harley riders. I’ll try not to bring unwanted attention but I have psycological issues. Sometimes I get a little bipolar when I’m riding and I need to go home. The problem is I sometimes can’t tell and that’s when I get I trouble, or say arrogant things in community posts.

My reference to opportunity was more to the, “cop who blips his lights but knows he didn’t get you” kind a thing, you know where you all got the point and chill the f out. . Happened to me outside of LaConner a couple weeks ago on the res heading north.

I also dream of the day Harley riders realize how valuable track days are. It’s dismissed way too easily and I think it gives new riders the wrong impression. Sounds like you get it.

That said. Thanks for the respect. It’s tough out there right now. Tons of cops and very few other bikers, I want terribly for new riders to get on the track, it’s a life and death choice to get on a bike. Regardless of ideals, I *know* that for many riders, a simple traffic upset could be all it takes.

A neighbor kid came over the other day. She was 12. I pulled out Total Control and handed it to her. She lit up. It was at that point I realized this is a kid who would jump on a street bike at the drop of a hat, with no training, and roll on the throttle! I said you want to read that. She goes Yeah! I realized that someday she’s gonna get on a bike. Someday is gonna happen regardless if she reads that book. I’d rather have 4 to 10 year old stale data in that kids brain than nothing. That’s how I feel about track days. You will never, need that kind of riding on the street. (And no, they don’t let you stunt, race, wheelie, or do anything other than practice safe performance riding at track days. If they do, leave immediately and get you money back! )

In the off chance you do need it, like when a dog runs out in front of you on a sport bike. Or when you can make a fast right off South I5 at 164th without killing yourself in a split second decision cuz you spotted a wsp start moving overhead and a moment of stupidity washed over you, but at 100 ft/sec, it’s too late to take it back.. (Not recommended, don’t speed thru there in the first place. )

Edited by Andonon on Aug 26th 2018 at 04:38 AM Reason: Typo
Aug 26th 2018, 04:23 AM   #15
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  Jul 2018
  Mill Creek

  06 SV650S
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Originally Posted by Adashi
How do you know that?
It's not recommend any trooper do that I'm sure, unless it's an emergency situation.
They are the Washington State Patrol, not Highway Patrol.
I donít get it. I thought the Highway Patrol were the hot ones.

Letís chalk it up to this. Unmarked state patrol vehicles may not have any marking on them, stickers, license plates, or antenna. Tinted windows obscure uniformed officers.

I ran the light and I think when he realized Iím white he was like a shit... and wanted to move on.

I heard a siren, a saw lights. The vehicle was a dark blue Impala with WA plate ARP####. I did not see a uniform or any other markings. I pulled over and was cited by the uniformed officer with a machine printed ticket. All ď50Ē lighting was futuristicly obfuscated. I have video. Failed to obey $137 ticket and he goes ďNice bike, be carefulĒ and leaves before I could get my gloves on. Snappy dude. I rolled right past him and missed him. Tinted windows tinted windows tinted windows.
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