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Sep 22nd 2019, 12:51 PM   #16
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

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First time someone tried to jack my wife's '96 Civic, they broke in, broke the steering lock before they realized it was a stick and left it. Imagine having to coordinate both hands and feet in order to drive when you're the sort of creature who has to steal cars to survive.

The second time they actually drove it off, but a cop with a license reader spotted it the next day more or less on Beezus and Ramona's block and we just went there and drove it away. No paperwork involved, just a five minute conversation with the nice lady cop who met us there. No damage at all -- the thief apparently was driving it, and they'd even come up a new face for her old Kenwood stereo, so now we have two. We think it's pretty much going to happen if we leave it on the street overnight without the steering wheel club.
Sep 22nd 2019, 01:47 PM   #17
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  Sep 2016
  Seabeck

  Africa Twin
I lived in a moderately large city in Japan and used to leave the keys in the ignition of my new Mitsubishi Gallant just in case one of the neighbors needed to move it.
Sep 22nd 2019, 06:46 PM   #18
 MV Man's Avatar
 
  Sep 2019
  Portlandia

  MV Agusta F3 800
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I am currently in Italy on my honeymoon...
Congrats, Jared.

We loved Italy...and Germany...and France...and Liechtenstein...and Switzerland...and Austria...and England...and Ireland...and Northern Ireland...and Scotland...and the Isle Of Man...

Where did you visit in Italy?
Sep 23rd 2019, 09:36 AM   #19
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  Jan 2016
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Congrats, Jared.

We loved Italy...and Germany...and France...and Liechtenstein...and Switzerland...and Austria...and England...and Ireland...and Northern Ireland...and Scotland...and the Isle Of Man...

Where did you visit in Italy?
Thanks! Flew in and out of Rome, did the tourist stuff and went to all the ruins and museums, went to Rimini/Misano for the MotoGP race then skipped town to town through Tuscany back to the west coast and back down to Rome. I now have a love hate for Italy, including a much better understanding of it. It's hard to boil it down into a sentence or two, I'd like to go back but to different regions because it's so distinctly different every place we went.

Food was hit or miss, driving was a blast, I'd love to go back on two wheels. The coffee was another level, it was fantastic, I didn't know it could be so good. Also, olive oil, I have a new appreciation for different kinds of it that we don't get here. When it's good, the food was some of the best I've had, when it was a miss, it was proper bad. Rome felt like European Mexico City, I don't see myself going back there except for the Borghese Gallery which we didn't have time for. I'd love to do a northern trip and a southern trip, but it'll be a few years before going back.

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Man it's too bad they didn't simply burn it down. Hopefully you have good insurance and you can just total it/start fresh.
Dude I actually wish they would have, it's damn near worse having it trashed. This car will die as mine, but having it limp along now is painful. It may be old yeller time.
Sep 23rd 2019, 10:56 AM   #20
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  Sep 2019
  Portlandia

  MV Agusta F3 800
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Thanks! Flew in and out of Rome, did the tourist stuff and went to all the ruins and museums, went to Rimini/Misano for the MotoGP race then skipped town to town through Tuscany back to the west coast and back down to Rome. I now have a love hate for Italy, including a much better understanding of it. It's hard to boil it down into a sentence or two, I'd like to go back but to different regions because it's so distinctly different every place we went.

Food was hit or miss, driving was a blast, I'd love to go back on two wheels. The coffee was another level, it was fantastic, I didn't know it could be so good. Also, olive oil, I have a new appreciation for different kinds of it that we don't get here. When it's good, the food was some of the best I've had, when it was a miss, it was proper bad. Rome felt like European Mexico City, I don't see myself going back there except for the Borghese Gallery which we didn't have time for. I'd love to do a northern trip and a southern trip, but it'll be a few years before going back.
Sounds like a great trip. Hope you took lots of pictures- we did...

Yes, the espresso and other forms of coffee were great. The wine was great too. And without exception, the food was amazing for us. We had one bad meal when we were in Vatican City, but Vatican City is not technically part of Italy. We did Rome on two wheels- we rented a red Vespa scooter (seemed appropriate for Italy). But Italians don't really do traffic lanes, or many other traffic rules.

We also did northern Italy. We toured Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Pagani, Ducati, and MV Agusta (before I bought my new MV Agusta)- they're all located within a few hours of each other, so we spent two days doing that. We also spent a long weekend in Venice, which was very nice, and looks exactly like every post card you've ever seen of Venice.

And we toured BMW and Porsche while we were in Germany. We toured BMW when we picked up my wife's new custom-ordered Track Pack car there (the morning after doing Oktoberfest in costume), and we toured Porsche in Stuttgart before I custom-ordered mine.
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Sep 23rd 2019, 12:20 PM   #21
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Sounds like a great trip. Hope you took lots of pictures- we did...

Yes, the espresso and other forms of coffee were great. The wine was great too. And without exception, the food was amazing for us. We had one bad meal when we were in Vatican City, but Vatican City is not technically part of Italy. We did Rome on two wheels- we rented a red Vespa scooter (seemed appropriate for Italy). But Italians don't really do traffic lanes, or many other traffic rules.

We also did northern Italy. We toured Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Pagani, Ducati, and MV Agusta (before I bought my new MV Agusta)- they're all located within a few hours of each other, so we spent two days doing that. We also spent a long weekend in Venice, which was very nice, and looks exactly like every post card you've ever seen of Venice.

And we toured BMW and Porsche while we were in Germany. We toured BMW when we picked up my wife's new custom-ordered Track Pack car there (the morning after doing Oktoberfest in costume), and we toured Porsche in Stuttgart before I custom-ordered mine.
overall it was a blast. took almost 3,000 photos, i don't even know where to upload them all. factory tours are on the docket for the next trip, i either wanna do a north or south trip, doing both would be too much traveling in the car/train. when we did the small town/winery stays, the food was mind blowing. in the cities, food was more meh and cost way more somehow. the little town cafe where the ingredients came from the farmers market next door that was picked on the farm a stones throw from the town and cost 8 euro blew the doors off the 30 euro stuff in rome for example.

their cured meat and cheese game is on point, we could learn a lot from it and it costs pennies compared to what we have

two wheels in italy is definitely a good way to go, but even in a car driving their was absolutely a blast and i loved every second of it
Sep 23rd 2019, 02:20 PM   #22
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  Sep 2019
  Portlandia

  MV Agusta F3 800
Good job! We took about 2,000 pics when we took a month doing France/Italy/Germany/Liechtenstein/Austria/Switzerland, and then we took about another 2,000 pics when we took another month to do England/Ireland/Northern Ireland/Scotland and the Isle Of Man for the TT. Let's see some of your pics...

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Sep 23rd 2019, 02:24 PM   #23
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  Sep 2019
  Portlandia

  MV Agusta F3 800
...and we didn't do it all on two wheels. We used public transportation or two wheels in the larger cities, and used four wheels (or two wings) in between. Public transportation in Europe is great.

Here's a car that my wife rented for me in Sant'agata Bolognese, across the street from the Lamborghini factory:
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Sep 23rd 2019, 02:47 PM   #24
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  Sep 2019
  Portlandia

  MV Agusta F3 800
Jared, when you and your lovely bride head back to Europe for your first anniversary in another 11 months, I have a tip for you that will make it much more affordable- BMW's European Delivery Program.

A number of European vehicle manufacturers have European Delivery programs. BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, Audi, and Porsche. My Porsche was almost a European delivery too.

But BMW's European Delivery Program is the best. When you custom-order a new BMW for European Delivery, they give you a 7% discount on the car, which pretty much offsets the cost of your airfare to fly over there to pick it up. And then while you're in Europe, you're driving your own car, instead of paying for a rental car, which saves you a ton more. The cars are U.S.-spec cars, but come registered, insured, and equipped to be legal in Germany. They're also legal in most other European countries, except that the German tourist license plates that your new car comes with, aren't legal in Liechtenstein. We drove into Liechtenstein anyways, but nobody hassled us.

The best part, is how BMW treats you. BMW had us picked up at the airport in Munich in a big black long-wheelbase BMW 7-series limousine, driven by a very formal limo driver in a 3-piece suit. When we arrived at the BMW Welt ("Welt" = "World"), they checked us in, gave us our credentials, and put us up for the day in the Premier Lounge. The Premier Lounge is set aside for European Delivery customers- all the food and drink you want, for free, all day long, and the menu changes three times a day. At the appointed time, your delivery consultant will walk you down this big dramatic flight of stairs to the center of the building, where your new car is slowly rotating on a giant turntable under spot lights- you even get to drive a "victory lap" around the inside of the Welt. They really make a big deal out of it. It also comes with a free tour of the Welt itself, a free tour of the BMW factory, and a free tour of the BMW museum. It's an all-day thing.

There are drop-off points all over Europe, so you don't have to bring your car back to Munich to drop it off, and they ship it home at no additional cost, where you then get to take delivery of it AGAIN, at your local BMW dealer.

It's a great experience.
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Sep 23rd 2019, 03:01 PM   #25
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Jared, when you and your lovely bride head back to Europe for your first anniversary in another 11 months, I have a tip for you that will make it much more affordable- BMW's European Delivery Program.

A number of European vehicle manufacturers have European Delivery programs. BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, Audi, and Porsche. My Porsche was almost a European delivery too.

But BMW's European Delivery Program is the best. When you custom-order a new BMW for European Delivery, they give you a 7% discount on the car, which pretty much offsets the cost of your airfare to fly over there to pick it up. And then while you're in Europe, you're driving your own car, instead of paying for a rental car, which saves you a ton more. The cars are U.S.-spec cars, but come registered, insured, and equipped to be legal in Germany. They're also legal in most other European countries, except that the German tourist license plates that your new car comes with, aren't legal in Liechtenstein. We drove into Liechtenstein anyways, but nobody hassled us.

The best part, is how BMW treats you. BMW had us picked up at the airport in a big black long-wheelbase BMW 7-series limousine, driven by a very formal limo driver in a 3-piece suit. When we arrived at the BMW Welt ("Welt" = "World"), they checked us in, gave us our credentials, and put us up for the day in the Premier Lounge. The Premier Lounge is set aside for European Delivery customers- all the food and drink you want, for free, all day long, and the menu changes three times a day. At the appointed time, your delivery consultant will walk you down this big dramatic flight of stairs to the center of the building, where your new car is slowly rotating on a giant turntable under spot lights- you even get to drive a "victory lap" around the inside of the Welt. They really make a big deal out of it. It also comes with a free tour of the Welt itself, a free tour of the BMW factory, and a free tour of the BMW museum. It's an all-day thing.

There are drop-off points all over Europe, so you don't have to bring your car back to Munich to drop it off, and they ship it home at no additional cost, where you then get to take delivery of it AGAIN, at your local BMW dealer.

It's a great experience.
I do happen to need a new car...this is neat, I've never heard of this before and I'm going to be looking into it. Thanks for sharing, that sounds pretty amazing.
Sep 24th 2019, 12:27 AM   #26
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  Sep 2019
  Portlandia

  MV Agusta F3 800
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I do happen to need a new car...this is neat, I've never heard of this before and I'm going to be looking into it. Thanks for sharing, that sounds pretty amazing.
An important aspect of a European delivery, is that you get to bring home a really cool custom-ordered 3,500-pound souvenir from an epic bucket-list trip...and then drive it every day. My wife's Track Pack car was a gift from me to her, and it continues to wear it's German front license plate to this day- the other license plate is hanging on the wall in our home.

Any good BMW dealer will already know about the European Delivery Program, but here is a link:

https://www.bmwusa.com/european-delivery.html

Keep in mind that BMW not only does the best job on their European deliveries, but it is also most financially expedient to do a European Delivery with BMW. BMW dealers get an extra vehicle allocation when they do a European delivery, and the 7% discount comes out of BMW's pocket, not the dealer's, so it is to their advantage to help you out with this. At the other end of the spectrum is Porsche. Porsche doesn't do as good a job on their European deliveries as BMW, and instead of a discount, Porsche actually charges their dealers an extra $3,000 to do a European delivery. That $3,000 is not invoiced, so if the customer isn't savvy, they may not realize what's going on, but it makes it much harder to negotiate a decent price on a new custom-ordered Porsche- that was a major contributing factor when we decided not to do a European delivery with my new Porsche.

Another thing to consider is timing. During the winter months, the laws of most European countries require winter tires. That doesn't mean all-season tires- it means winter tires. All of the manufacturers can loan you wheels with winter tires for the duration of your visit, but who wants to drive their brand-new custom-ordered European performance car on winter tires? Your anniversary falls at an advantageous time, as it is BEFORE you will be required to us winter tires. The timing of your anniversary will also mean that you will most likely be able to drive OVER the Alps, instead of having to take the tunnels. We got to drive over the San Bernardino Pass in the Swiss Alps (ala Top Gear), and had a picnic at the little lake at the top.

Regarding tires, make sure that when you order your vehicle, that you order it with the correct tires. Generally, if you order all-season tires, your car will come with a 130mph speed limiter, which is no fun on the German Autobahns. If you order summer tires, your car will generally come with a 155mph speed limiter, which is MUCH more useful on the German Autobahns. These are GENERAL guidelines- you need to do your homework on your specific vehicle, to make sure that you get the 155mph top speed limiter. Most BMWs come with rough-riding run-flat tires, because they have no room for a spare tire. My wife's Track Pack vehicle came with non-runflat Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires, which means that if we get a flat, we call a tow truck, but it also means that the car doesn't ride as rough (even though it has the lower/stiffer Track Pack adjustable suspension), and it also means that it came with the 155mph speed limiter, which we tested repeatedly on the German Autobahns.

And regarding the timing of your anniversary, I will advise you that THE Oktoberfest happens in Munich (where BMW is located), and a lot of people don't realize this, but Oktoberfest actually starts in the middle of September. We wanted to be culturally sensitive, but we learned that it is entirely acceptable for tourists to attend Oktoberfest in costume. I was not able to arrange for Lederhosen (traditional German leather shorts worn by men), but my wife wore a Dirndl dress, although it was a very short "American" version (a stripper costume, actually), and it was totally cool. Once we were there, we learned that the traditional Dirndl is a very specialized garment, usually custom-made by tracht shops for the end user, with an interesting variety of fabrics and features. My wife would like to have a traditional Dirndl custom-made for her some day.
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Sep 24th 2019, 05:42 AM   #27
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  Jun 2019
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I suddenly think I should go BMW shopping (after winning the lottery, perhaps).
Sep 24th 2019, 07:39 AM   #28
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  Sep 2019
  Portlandia

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I suddenly think I should go BMW shopping (after winning the lottery, perhaps).
You don't need to win the lottery. Most European cars are not super expensive- it is the OPTIONS that are expensive. So be very careful when checking option boxes.

My wife chose the Sport Line version of her car to get the sport seats without the "Batmobile" bodywork of the M-Sport version. And the only options she ordered on it was the Track Handling Package (big Brembo "M" brakes, lower/stiffer adjustable "M" suspension, "M" steering, 18" alloys, staggered non-runflat Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires, and a 155mph top speed limiter), the 8-speed paddle-shift ZF transmission, Mineral White (pearl white) paint, the robotized HID headlights, and the power memory seats. No sat-nav, no parking sensors, no bloated option packages, or any of that other expensive stuff.

I ordered my new Porsche convertible with even less options. The ventilated leather Sport Plus seats were $810, the leather SportDesign steering wheel was $250, the red seat belts were about $350, and the lowest/stiffest sport suspension was about $1,250. The only option of any significant expense, was the 20" Carrera S wheels in Satin Black, which was about a $4,000 option. Manual transmission, manual seats, manual air conditioning, standard stereo, no parking sensors, no sat-nav, and no bloated option packages.
Sep 24th 2019, 08:45 AM   #29
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I had no idea about all that, that's really neat that the manufacturers do this. I wonder why it's not advertised or marketed.
Sep 24th 2019, 10:46 AM   #30
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  Sep 2019
  Portlandia

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I had no idea about all that, that's really neat that the manufacturers do this. I wonder why it's not advertised or marketed.
Buddy, we can talk you through the whole process.

If you're open to suggestion, a European Delivery makes for a great gift. My wife gets to drive her gift every day, and people are always asking about her German front license plate when they compliment her on her car- it's a great reminder of the trip itself.

Airfare to Europe can be the most expensive part of the trip, and Europe is like Disneyland for grownups, so take enough time- the plane trip costs the same, whether you're there for a week or a month. We feel that a month is about the right length for a Europe trip.

The car comes with two weeks of insurance, but you can buy more if you want.

We recommend doing any large European cities first, BEFORE you take delivery. It can be extremely difficult to have a car in some large European cities, and public transportation is very good in Europe. A lot of those cities predate the invention of the automobile by a couple thousand years. So we flew to Paris (dinner in the Eiffel Tower, yada, yada), spent about 2-3 days there, then flew to Rome, did 2-3 days there, and THEN flew to Munich to do Oktoberfest and take delivery of her car. At that point, our trip really shifted into second gear.

It is EXTREMELY important to obey traffic laws precisely. There are speed cameras everywhere. In Switzerland, they can confiscate your vehicle for speed limit, even just a little bit. Confiscate, as in you never get it back. In Germany, you MUST stay in the right lane, unless you're passing, and you must yield the right of way to faster vehicles. This is very important on the German Autobahns. If you get in the way of someone in the left lane and they rear-end you, YOU will be liable for the collision.

The German Autobahns are not quite what a lot of people think they are. They are not all unlimited speed, and even the ones that are unlimited, are clogged with heavy traffic and/or road repair projects. The speed limits can change over and over and over again as you're driving, and a lot of the speed limits are posted on electronic signs so that they can be changed as conditions change, so even if you drove a particular section of Autobahn yesterday, the speed limit may be different today. The unlimited sections have a round white speed sign with a black slash through it at an angle. It took us about a week before we were able to find an unlimited section with no construction and no traffic, to max out my wife's car on at 155mph.

German road laws are also extremely important at another place you should visit- the Nurburgring. When people speak of the Nurburgring, they are usually referring to the Nordschleife. Nordschleife is German for "north loop". The Nordschleife is 12.9 miles long, and loops through five little villages around Nurburg Castle. The Nordschleife is technically a one-way German toll road, so all German traffic laws apply there, the most important of which is that there is NO passing on the left. Whenever the Nordschleife is not closed, you can drive the course at speed in your own vehicle, you can take a track-prepared rental vehicle out, or you can even take a race taxi. It's called "Touristenfahrten", and it's about $20 a lap. There is a diner located in the parking lot that serves American-style comfort food. You can buy your 'Ring Card at a little building there. BMW has a race taxi office there. Other race taxi businesses also do business out of the parking lot there. You can even bum a ride from a local 'Ring rat if you want. There's a little stand where you can purchase your T-shirts, stickers, and other swag.

The Nordschleife is an extremely difficult course to learn. It's 12.9 miles long, with almost 200 turns, most of which are blind and/or late apex. And there is virtually zero runoff- if you go off the course at all, you'll probably be into the steel crash barriers. Your car insurance may not cover it. And anyone that crashes there, is financially responsible for the tow to remove your crashed vehicle, the damage to the crash barriers, and any money that they lost by having to close the course long enough to clean up your mess. So study the course well before going, and don't be a hero. We don't play video games, but we purchased an X-Box, a force-feedback steering wheel and pedal set with paddle shifters, and a Forza video game that contains a VERY detailed representation of the Nordschleife (right down to the graffiti that is often used as turn-in markers), and I had my wife quit her job about a month before we went on our trip, so that she could spend every day "driving" the Nordschleife before we got there. We also used numerous online tutorials, the most helpful of which was some videos posted by Dale Lomas on youtube.

There are photographers that hang out at the track all day long, taking pictures. They are hoping to catch spy shots of manufacturer's prototypes (many major manufacturers have "skunkworks" development facilities located at the Nurburgring). They post their Touristenfahrten pictures on their web sites, so you can just scroll through their photos from the day(s) you were there, and find pics of yourself.

The cherry on the top of this trip, was an $860 taxi ride for my wife around the GP track and the Nordschleife during a practice session on a VLN race weekend, in a track-prepared Porsche 911 GT3 RS Race Taxi driven by Sabine Schmitz. We stayed in the hotel that Sabine and her mom owns (Hotel am Tiergarten, located above Restaurant Pistenklause), and they were very nice to us- Sabine even invited us to have beers with her. When we were unable to find a fire suit and helmet to fit my wife, Sabine loaned one of her own personal fire suits and carbon-fiber helmets to my wife for her lap. The onboard telemetry from the video of her lap, indicates just a little over 320kph (200mph).
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