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Jul 23rd 2018, 10:49 AM   #16
 craiger's Avatar
 
  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2007 Aprilia Tuono Factory, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
Everyday I commute I come across similar instances. If motorcycles have the "Wild One's" stereotype, then ALL cagers are mindless, drunken, phone addicted asshats who need to be lined up and shot (just to lower the idiocy population numbers). Stereotypes work both ways. I see that KPTV 12 here in PDX's Tony Martinez is hosting a number of PSA's informing/educating drivers (cagers) in construction/new traffic laws. Good idea. Make it a 30 min program once a week to educate asshole, idiotic, neurotic, paranoid cagers. Elect me. I win. We win. It's not that difficult.
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Jul 23rd 2018, 02:54 PM   #17
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  Apr 2016
  Renton

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Originally Posted by sunofnun
1. Apply throttle
2. Watch problems disappear in your mirrors.
Best applied immediately before entering a corner at double the "recommended" speed without touching the brakes. Look back after two corners and it's as though the offending tortoise never existed.
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Jul 23rd 2018, 05:23 PM   #18
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  Jan 2016
  Garden Home

  2012 Versys...'83 BMW R80 RT...Suzuki GS 450t
I pass anybody and everybody I possibly can whenever I can...I have sped up to catch cars just so I can pass them...I'll pass on curves just because I can...only place I won't pass is coming up on the crest of a hill..once over baby and I'm gone...that's what motorcycles were made for..showing cages what's what...
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Jul 23rd 2018, 06:24 PM   #19
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '08 BMW K12GT, '06 Honda CBR1000RR (Track), '14 KTM Duke 690
A couple things happen when someone is going below the reasonable speed:

1. Cars, bikes stack up behind
2. Most want to pass
3. The more vehicles stacked up behind, the greater the risk more than one will attempt to pass as the same time.

Space=Time=Safety.
Three's a crowd.

Pass slow vehicles as soon as is reasonable. Waiting for a broken yellow line that may or may not be ahead . . . not good for anybody.
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Jul 24th 2018, 05:25 AM   #20
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
I always thought the traffic rules, speed limits, line markings, road design, were made for the worst-case scenario, which to me is like a dump truck full of rocks, a cement truck, a semi, or one of those asshat Winnebago "mobile" home thingies pulling a Jeep (you know who you are).

All of us know the double-yellow line situation is a proboem only on paper, and that there is most of the time ample room for a bike to see and pass safely in many sections where there is a double-yellow.

Just like when mj was illegal - the biggest "risk" it posed was the cops.

Still - with driving it is always best if everyone is predictable, and that mostly means we all follow the rules no matter what we think of them. Variations from this are always gonna be sketchy if for no other reason than that we never know what someone is gonna do when they color outside the lines.

I pass constantly. If you aint passing cars you might as well be in the Chevrolet with a latte, Michael Bolton on CD, and the AC on.




Edited by Sentinel on Jul 24th 2018 at 05:31 AM
Jul 24th 2018, 05:42 AM   #21
 
  Sep 2017
  Tigard, Oregon

  Tiger 800XCx,Daytona 675,CBR929RR,YZ125
About as many ways to act as there are stars in the sky, choose one. If you’re wrong it’s your ass and potentially someone else’s.

No two ways about it, if the vicious Canoodian was within 5mph or so of the speed limit as posted the Man will generally have your ass for the double yellow. Now all this of course is dependent on whether said “Man” is in fact a man, or indeed possibly whether he has eaten, how long ago and whether or not he feels like rousting a motorcyclist with a nice friendly curb stomp like they do down here when they feel you don’t comply quick enough.

There’s some really great answers here but I think that it’s a judgement call that only you can make based on your own personal acceptance of the risks involved like you do every time you put your helmet on. How much gear? What brand? How much gear to buy?
All of these are questions best answered strangely enough by the asker, similar to this question.
We can provide examples and practical discussion, Hell maybe even a YouTube vid or two, but I can’t manage “your” risk and neither can anyone else here. You decide that every time you put on a helmet, same as the rest of us that ride.

“Ride your own ride” is a phrase that’s been used a time or two and that probably describes it as best as can be. I try hard not to be “that guy” myself, I’ll generally pull over if a few Hoonigans roll up behind me and I’m riding her highness the Tiger. On the other hand a DS bike makes for marvelous escape from the cage driving fools when you can just pop off for a bit down a gravel road and relieve the tension (as well as your bladder). Only bane of my existence is Subaru-driving Hipster escapees from the Metro on the FS roads driving too damned slow, they DO get a pass. Every time.

But I guess my one point would be : You live in your Helmet Space. I/we the collective cannot give you a one size answer because you have asked a question that is not one size fits all question.
Jul 24th 2018, 07:03 AM   #22
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  Jan 2016
  Here

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I try hard not to be ďthat guyĒ myself, Iíll generally pull over if a few Hoonigans roll up behind me and Iím riding her highness the Tiger.
A few weeks ago in the twistiest and shadiest bit of road between Apiary and Rainier (OR) I damn near cornholed an elk who didn't just cross in front of me, it got out in the road and loped casually down the road in front of me in the same direction, alternating left and right indecisively. Swerving not an option if there's no way to tell which way it's going to go so the only thing to do was brake hard.

Came back the same way a few hours later and a couple of 696s were behind me. I backed way off on approaching that general zone and gave the low sign with my left hand and did not pull right to make room. They immediately blew by me with full Italian exhaust howl and were gone in an instant.

So y'know, someone might be slowing down for a reason. Maybe I shoulda made the "antlers" hand signal.
Jul 24th 2018, 08:31 AM   #23
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  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

Having lived in Montana and done a lot of driving in rural area's if I see someone brake hard I don't usually get in a big rush to get around them until I see what they are looking at. Of course now days people will brake for no reason while they are doing whatever they are doing.
Two that happened to me in Montana:
Seeing an entire herd of Elk on a corner appearing out of a heavy mist to make your hair stand up.
Or:
At night having a herd of deer run right up on the freeway beside you then veer off back the way they came.
Jul 24th 2018, 09:05 AM   #24
 
  Feb 2016
  Oregon

The safest place to be is the front of any pack of cages, if Iím not there, Iím not safe.


Sent via iPhone
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Jul 24th 2018, 05:44 PM   #25
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  Jan 2016
  Kirkland

  2009 V-Star 1100 Custom
WA law requires that slow vehicles turn out if they are holding up 5 or more vehicles. I've yet to see it enforced but that's the law...
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Jul 25th 2018, 07:39 AM   #26
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  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

Yesterday I had an 'older' guy in front of me that was looking down while sitting at a stop sign reading, texting, staring at an unfamiliar erection, who knows. I tapped the horn and he pulled out on the (busy) main road then stopped 100' further WHERE THERE WAS NO STOP SIGN OR LIGHT to let cars in from a side road and STARTED READING, TEXTING, STARING AT AN UNFAMILIAR ERECTION, again. I held down the horn that time and he started to go then stopped again (horn angry?) but finally kept going.
What the?!?!? DRIVE! Just drive! No real way to get around him and I was in a near panic about getting rear ended on the bike as there is no reason to be stopped in that section of road so I am sure it is a favored 'texting' spot. Good grief...
Jul 26th 2018, 03:43 AM   #27
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  Jan 2016
  Northeast Olalla

  07 Guzzi
You use the term "unfamiliar erection" with a certain flair of authority.
Jul 26th 2018, 11:13 PM   #28
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  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

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