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Oct 22nd 2020, 11:14 AM   #1
 Akdawg's Avatar
 
  Dec 2018
  Goldendale WA

  Classic Sportsters, Triumph & BSA
Washington Motorcycle Safety Advisory Board

I've just been appointed to fill an unexpired seat on the Washington Safety Education Advisory Board for the term October 2020 to June 30 2021. This is to fill an unexpired seat and doesn't give me but a couple meetings to add a voice.
Program priorities include:
Public awareness of motorcycle safety
Motorcycle safety education programs conducted by public and private entities
Classroom and on-cycle training
Improved motorcycle operator testing
I'd like to hear from ya'll about concerns and opinions. I'd especially like to hear of experiences with testing and training and why we have (supposedly) around 20,000 unendorsed riders in Washington state and what can be done about that.
It appears first meeting will be sometime early December
Thanks
Oct 23rd 2020, 09:09 AM   #2
A2B
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  Jan 2019
  Methow Valley

  ATK Rotax, Buell xb12ss, CL160
Cool, good for you for jumping in! It really comes down to "people who don't ride, don't know" what motorcycle safety looks like. It's also concerning if 20,000 riders are out there just winging it. I'm sure it's my age, but rider training and skills testing should be an ongoing option for new, older and all riders. Several years ago at the Spokane Motorcycle Show a guy from Soundrider did a little 30 minute seminar on rider safety. Having been riding for 30+ years, I felt kinda foolish for sitting in, but you know, I walked away with a couple reassuring ideas. I have a bright yellow SEE MOTORCYCLES bumper sticker on my truck and it's surprising how many other riders see it and share their stories and opinions at gas station or parking lots. Cage driver awareness education is probably more critical in metro areas, but this summer coming home from Oregon, I watched a pickup and trailer rig tailgate a goldwing riding down 97 going into Maupin. Christ, it scared the hell out of me just watching and I don't know why the goldwing didn't find a way to pull over. In the corner braking zones, the truck couldn't have been more than 10' or 12' off the back of that motorcycle. Steep downhill, sharp corners, guardrails is not a good place to be pressured by a 10,000 lb vehicle. So, maybe renewed efforts and avenues for rider training and BIG BILLBOARDS and electronic highway READER SIGNS that remind drivers to see motorcycles and give them a little "Brake".... remember the M.A.D.D. campaigns.
Oct 23rd 2020, 05:08 PM   #3
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2009 Aprilia RSVR, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
Well... i been away for awhile. I don't like being censored, but thats happening on this lil site. Some people just can't handle the truth and have no sense of humor. Sometimes one has to exaggerate to get some peoples' attention and/or to clarify..but whatever.

All that BS aside...Akdawg, props to you if that's what you want. Being in a position to make a difference can be a double edged sword. Good luck and good tidings. I hope your colleagues listen and act accordingly.

1), public awareness for safety. My feeling is the public hates all motorcyclists, unless they ride themselves. It's all "I had a cousin who killed himself", and "you're crazy". Just getting people to think of riders as "people" would be a step in the right direction. We're not objects, we're people; mothers, fathers, sons and daughters and all in between.

2), Motorcycle safety education programs conducted by public and private entities.
Is this really a priority from those in a position to make it happen? I (cynic that I am) find it hard to believe. But Washington seems to take these matters a bit more seriously than just about any other state. So more power to them.

3) Classroom and on-cycle training.
I did this back in '03 for the MSF class out of Chemketa CC. 3 day course. Friday in class all day. Saturday was mostly on the "course", and Sunday was a half day with the final "exam". I don't remember it all, but I think it's not offered anymore? I could be wrong and prolly am, but should be promoted heavily, IMHO.

4) Improved motorcycle operator testing.
Why not more like the Euro/British system? Staggered licenses, age limits, engine CC limits, more severe punishments, etc. We could learn from them and incorporate incremental changes that benefit everyone. I'm certain insurance companies have a vested interest.

5) 20,000 un-endorsed riders? In Washington state alone? Really? How and where did that number come from? Seems to me it would be darn near impossible to get an accurate count of that. But what do I know... I wonder how many of those riders have been busted in their cages for DUII and resort to riding for transport. Lots of reasons for people to not play by the rules.

My humble take is that those in a position to make a difference, should. Educate drivers. Use those ridiculous, redundant electronic signs spanning across freeways to educate cagers to watch for motorcycles. Teach drivers how to properly merge onto freeways. Encourage lane filtering/splitting. If done in a safe manner, it saves everyone time. Increase penalties for drivers and riders for irresponsible driving/riding. Use said "signs" to "decriminalize" lane sharing/filtering/splitting. Punish cell phone users. I don't know any riders that use cell phones, and if they do, they're using it for GPS only. Kinda hard to be on your phone when riding. Phones have to be the No. 1 nemesis/pet peeve for riders.

And, of course, I live and mostly ride in Oree-gun, so my take don't mean shit, but at least someone is putting their time and effort into making things better for riders. Too bad the state of Oregon doesn't take this as seriously as their neighbors to the north.
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Oct 24th 2020, 08:48 AM   #4
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
The number one thing we could do to increase motorcycle safety is to get drivers off their cellphones.
Period.
Until that happens, everything else is nonsense.
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Oct 24th 2020, 05:20 PM   #5
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2009 Aprilia RSVR, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
Couldn't "they" just come up with disabling software that disables smartphones upon entering enclosed vehicles? I can think of no good reason to have an enabled cell in a moving internal combustion vehicle. I just read an interesting article in the Jan 2020 MCN rag... columnist from that rag drove/rode in France for a 10 day spell... said it was like night and day from driving in the states. Everyone gets along and respects each others' space. What a concept.
Oct 26th 2020, 01:10 PM   #6
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
you could very simply disable a cellphone when it is moving more than X mph, or even just disable the screen when it is moving at faster than bicycle speeds.
but they are NEVER gonna do that.
Oct 26th 2020, 04:17 PM   #7
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  Feb 2016
  Bellingham, WA

  Yamaha FZ-07
There is a do not disturb while driving mode on iPhones, but it is opt in so I assume almost nobody uses it.

I would love to see more advances training options. There is nothing available in Whatcom county beyond the basic course. I would take a course every year if it was teaching/practicing skills beyond the parking lot drills the basic course has.
Oct 27th 2020, 08:59 AM   #8
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  Jan 2016
  Northeast Olalla

  07 Guzzi
Quote:
Originally Posted by mjh937

I would love to see more advances training options. There is nothing available in Whatcom county beyond the basic course. I would take a course every year if it was teaching/practicing skills beyond the parking lot drills the basic course has.
Cascade Motorcycle Safety has some interesting offerings which you might look into.

Some of the contractors around the state do offer the Advanced Riding Course. It is still range based, but it works on more real world skills such as body positioning, advanced braking theory, and decreasing radius cornering. If it isn't offered in your area, but enough people ask for it perhaps the local contractors might put it on the schedule.
Oct 27th 2020, 11:55 AM   #9
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  Feb 2016
  Bellingham, WA

  Yamaha FZ-07
It looks like their Street Strategies course is only available in Kent. I really do not want to ride my bike that far. Perhaps I will contact them and see if there is any chance of doing something closer. It would be nice if it was easier to get advanced training.
Oct 27th 2020, 12:28 PM   #10
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  Jan 2016
  NW Oregon

This is a minor point and probably well outside your brief but it'd be nice if they'd change the helmet rules so that ECE certification alone was acceptable. A shedload of European helmet manufacturers don't bother to jump through the hoops to get DOT certified, so we can't buy them here. The standards are a little different, and I'm sure we could debate the merits of one or the other, but frankly if it's good enough for at least 27 of the world's' most advanced countries who are not slouches when it comes to safety (and accepted in most of the rest of the world as well), it's good enough for me.

Certainly beats the "no helmet at all" rule that a lot of states have, or the "stick a fake DOT sticker on a toy Kaiser helmet" trick that a lot of guys seem to get away with.
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Nov 4th 2020, 09:19 AM   #11
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  Dec 2018
  Goldendale WA

  Classic Sportsters, Triumph & BSA
QUESTION OF THE DAY....
If "lane sharing", as traditionally practiced, is such a hard sell to legislators would you find "lane filtering" to be an alternative to alleviating traffic congestion? "Filtering" to mean moving ahead through stopped traffic....
Thanks for your input...
Nov 4th 2020, 09:54 AM   #12
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
Given the actual number of motorcycles in any linear mile of commuter traffic, I doubt that lane sharing/filtering would have a measurable effect on congestion. Perhaps more importantly there may be WSDOT data showing the number of injuries/fatalities due to motorcycles being rear ended. This may be a stronger argument for filtering. Another place you might check for input would be with the website Quickthrottle.com . Brian Lange wrote an interesting piece titled, "A Look at Motorcycle Crash Data." Mr Lange may give you more detail and/or other motorcycle safety avenues to pursue.

Many of the arguments that both motorists and motorcycle riders present are emotional. Remember that hard data is the most convincing. Buena suerte.
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Nov 14th 2020, 09:29 PM   #13
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2009 Aprilia RSVR, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
Good point in that there really isn't that many bikes in traffic, and that they would take advantage of "lane filtering" legislation. On the other hand, if it were permissible, perhaps more would take advantage of the ruling. First step is educating drivers and de-demonizing the act itself. One does not deserve to be objectified to the point of injury just because one does not want to wait on line like the average phone-addicted cager. I just want to get to where I'm going in a decent amount of time. Why does that have to be a crime?
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