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Apr 12th 2017, 11:07 AM   #1
 JohnnyM's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Pullman, WA

  '73 CB350F, '86 VFR750F, '00 Aprilia RS250, '04 Aprilia RSV1000 R Factory(x2), '07 Star 1100 Classic
Another cool MiniCam- available at your local NAPA!

Full disclosure: I work for NAPA in the Pullman, WA store.

Some of you might remember my review of the driving camera NAPA had on sale last year. Well, this month they have a new one featured in their sale flyer- and it appears to be an affordable GoPro-type! How affordable? How's $69.99 strike you?

For that price, you get the camera, the waterproof enclosure, bar mount, helmet mount (with strap), suction cup mount, and an 8GB SD card.






NAPA Website description:

Quote:
Dual Cam, 2-in-1 sports action / dash camera. Features 1080p HD video, 10 Megapixel photography, accident-detection shock sensor, all in a compact factor.

1.5 Hours battery life.
Loop recording. Built-in shock sensor locks in the video clip when the camera detects an accident, preventing overwriting vital information.
Underwater waterproof case.
1.5" TFT LCD screen size. Digital HD color CMOS sensor. 120 Degree high-resolution ultra wide-angle.
MOV / JPEG video and photo formats.
Built-in LED light.
1920x1080 Full HD resolution, 1440x1080, 1280x720, 840x480, 640x480.
I'm buying one, and will update this post with video from it ASAP. Probably from my car, but hey...
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Apr 12th 2017, 04:33 PM   #2
 Burphel's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Travelling around the NW

  Triumph Bonnezilla, Little Ninja
Dang. That's getting into the price range where I'd consider hard-mounting it someplace inconspicuous.
Apr 13th 2017, 04:41 AM   #3
 Tripledij's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Custer WA

  Aprilia Tuono 1100
1920x1080 Full HD resolution, 1440x1080, 1280x720, 840x480, 640x480.


I would be curious as to the fps at 1080 and 720

Looking forward to your review.
Apr 13th 2017, 06:16 AM   #4
 DocB's Avatar
 
  Feb 2016
  Poulsbo, WA

  Aprilia RSV Mille, CB77 (AMA Nat'l landspeed record holder), CB750K, CB750F
30 fps at 1080. $43 at Wally World. Some mediocre "you get what you pay for" type reviews there too.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Pilot-Aut...-Card/45513140
Apr 13th 2017, 06:47 AM   #5
 
  Jan 2016
  Portland

I'll never buy an "action camera" that has the form factor of a brick and faces the broadest side forward. There are many options from cheap to expensive that have streamlined designs.
Apr 13th 2017, 12:25 PM   #6
 JohnnyM's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Pullman, WA

  '73 CB350F, '86 VFR750F, '00 Aprilia RS250, '04 Aprilia RSV1000 R Factory(x2), '07 Star 1100 Classic
Quote:
Originally Posted by DocB
30 fps at 1080. $43 at Wally World. Some mediocre "you get what you pay for" type reviews there too.[/URL]
I understand why people compare items at Wal-Mart to items available elsewhere, because that is exactly what Wal-Mart wants. Yes, they seem to have the same basic design, and perhaps have similar specs, but unless the part numbers match EXACTLY, you can count on the Wal-Mart version being a watered-down version of what you think it is. They have the buying power to force manufacturers to cut extra corners and remove features, sometimes making the item nearly useless in the process. Added bonus: they advertise it as a "Wal-Mart exclusive!"

And yes, you might find the same thing for a slightly lower price than at your local NAPA, but is there shipping? Will you have it same day? Will they stand behind what they sell, or leave you hanging? Gotta take all that into consideration.

That said, the reviewers were right- you get what you pay for. Caveat emptor, and all that...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralgha
I'll never buy an "action camera" that has the form factor of a brick and faces the broadest side forward. There are many options from cheap to expensive that have streamlined designs.
Then you aren't the target audience for this post. Not sure why you felt you had to share that, but thanks, and have a good day.

Edited by JohnnyM on Apr 13th 2017 at 12:28 PM
Apr 13th 2017, 01:06 PM   #7
 VeritasImageryNW's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyM
I understand why people compare items at Wal-Mart to items available elsewhere, because that is exactly what Wal-Mart wants. Yes, they seem to have the same basic design, and perhaps have similar specs, but unless the part numbers match EXACTLY, you can count on the Wal-Mart version being a watered-down version of what you think it is. They have the buying power to force manufacturers to cut extra corners and remove features, sometimes making the item nearly useless in the process. Added bonus: they advertise it as a "Wal-Mart exclusive!"

And yes, you might find the same thing for a slightly lower price than at your local NAPA, but is there shipping? Will you have it same day? Will they stand behind what they sell, or leave you hanging? Gotta take all that into consideration.
Sorry, but it's the same exact camera. They even use the same pics that NAPA does.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/45513140?...&wl13=&veh=sem

Shipping is free (2 day shipping), so total with tax is $46. So if I really wanted it I would rather wait a couple days and save nearly $30.
Apr 13th 2017, 02:01 PM   #8
 DocB's Avatar
 
  Feb 2016
  Poulsbo, WA

  Aprilia RSV Mille, CB77 (AMA Nat'l landspeed record holder), CB750K, CB750F
I don't have any plans to buy one, nor do I work for Walmart or NAPA. I don't particularly like either store. I just happened to do a google shopping search looking for the missing frame rate spec, found the Walmart price, and offered the information here to those who might be interested. It seems that this is a product that has been manufactured for sales by large chain stores, like Walmart (4177 stores) and NAPA (6000 stores). The manufacturer listed on the Walmart product page is Balkamp, Inc. That is NAPA's rebranding company. It's NAPA's product. FWIW it took me all of ten minutes to google this info.

It is apparent that the advertised price is 39% lower at Wally World. That's pretty typical for a loss leader. The photos appear to show the same product and accessories. The NAPA website indicates my closest store has it in stock, so I could get it two days sooner than from the local Waltons. Beyond that I'll suggest it's purely speculation to assume any differences besides price and availability, just as it would be pure speculation to suggest that NAPA is dumping the cameras through Walmart.
Apr 13th 2017, 03:37 PM   #9
 Chrishil54's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Kirkland

  2009 V-Star 1100 Custom
Anybody know anything about the Apeman camera?
Apr 13th 2017, 04:49 PM   #10
 JohnnyM's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Pullman, WA

  '73 CB350F, '86 VFR750F, '00 Aprilia RS250, '04 Aprilia RSV1000 R Factory(x2), '07 Star 1100 Classic
Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
Sorry, but it's the same exact camera. They even use the same pics that NAPA does.
...and I covered that in my reply.

Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
Shipping is free (2 day shipping), so total with tax is $46. So if I really wanted it I would rather wait a couple days and save nearly $30.
Please reference my reply to Ralgha, above.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DocB
I don't have any plans to buy one, nor do I work for Walmart or NAPA. I don't particularly like either store. I just happened to do a google shopping search looking for the missing frame rate spec, found the Walmart price, and offered the information here to those who might be interested. It seems that this is a product that has been manufactured for sales by large chain stores, like Walmart (4177 stores) and NAPA (6000 stores). The manufacturer listed on the Walmart product page is Balkamp, Inc. That is NAPA's rebranding company. It's NAPA's product. FWIW it took me all of ten minutes to google this info.

It is apparent that the advertised price is 39% lower at Wally World. That's pretty typical for a loss leader. The photos appear to show the same product and accessories. The NAPA website indicates my closest store has it in stock, so I could get it two days sooner than from the local Waltons. Beyond that I'll suggest it's purely speculation to assume any differences besides price and availability, just as it would be pure speculation to suggest that NAPA is dumping the cameras through Walmart.
I agreed, and offered the same conclusion above. No need to be snippy, unless you need drama in your life or something. Still, that's all you.
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Edited by JohnnyM on Apr 13th 2017 at 04:51 PM
Apr 14th 2017, 07:44 AM   #11
 VeritasImageryNW's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyM
...and I covered that in my reply.

Please reference my reply to Ralgha, above.
"Yes, they seem to have the same basic design, and perhaps have similar specs, but unless the part numbers match EXACTLY, you can count on the Wal-Mart version being a watered-down version of what you think it is."

You actually tried to say they weren't the same.


"And yes, you might find the same thing for a slightly lower price than at your local NAPA, but is there shipping? Will you have it same day? Will they stand behind what they sell, or leave you hanging? Gotta take all that into consideration."

This isn't a "slightly lower price", this is a significantly lower price. Shipping included still keeps it significantly lower, and it's only a 2 day wait.

Do they stand behind the product? For only $6 you get a 2 year protection plan (still keeps the overall price much lower).


I get that you work for NAPA, and it's your job to sell these things, but even you can admit that they are selling the same camera as WalMart for nearly double the price.
Apr 14th 2017, 09:39 AM   #12
 JohnnyM's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Pullman, WA

  '73 CB350F, '86 VFR750F, '00 Aprilia RS250, '04 Aprilia RSV1000 R Factory(x2), '07 Star 1100 Classic
Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
"Yes, they seem to have the same basic design, and perhaps have similar specs, but unless the part numbers match EXACTLY, you can count on the Wal-Mart version being a watered-down version of what you think it is."

You actually tried to say they weren't the same.
The fact that they ARE NOT the same aside- read that again, without your bolded cherry-picked highlights. I asked questions- or rather said the purchaser should double-check the part number and ask some questions before making their choice on where to purchase. Nothing more. Don't believe me? Check out what you quoted below:

Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
"And yes, you might find the same thing for a slightly lower price than at your local NAPA, but is there shipping? Will you have it same day? Will they stand behind what they sell, or leave you hanging? Gotta take all that into consideration."
See?

Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
This isn't a "slightly lower price", this is a significantly lower price. Shipping included still keeps it significantly lower, and it's only a 2 day wait.
For a different product, yes. I guess you missed where the part number has a "WK" appended to the end. That isn't the same camera, even if the specs are similar, I guarantee its missing features that the one sold by NAPA (and other places where the part number is the same) has.
Again, caveat emptor...

Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
Do they stand behind the product? For only $6 you get a 2 year protection plan (still keeps the overall price much lower).
Anyone who works in a retail electronics store, or as a consumer advocate (think: Clark Howard) can tell you about that "protection plan", what it actually is, and how much fun it is to get any sort of warranty service using them. (Hint: you probably won't.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
I get that you work for NAPA, and it's your job to sell these things...
I was up front about where I work so there wouldn't be a conflict of interest implied. I don't care where you buy it, but I wanted to get the word out about it because I think its a pretty cool piece of tech that PNWMoto.com would be interested in. So, I posted a review.

Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
...but even you can admit that they are selling the same camera as WalMart for nearly double the price.
Nope, different part numbers. Their "CL-3016WK" is NOT a "CL-3016". Sorry.

It's obvious you don't want to buy this, so why you insist on crapping on this thread is beyond me?

That said, video is being produced now...

Edited by JohnnyM on Apr 14th 2017 at 09:49 AM
Apr 14th 2017, 10:04 AM   #13
 VeritasImageryNW's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyM
Nope, different part numbers. Their "CL-3016WK" is NOT a "CL-3016". Sorry.
You might want to go to the actual Pilot website. There you will see that they only list the CL-3016, no "WK" version of it. So as far as the manufacturer is even concerned they are the same camera.

The reason this bugs me is that after working years in retail, including both auto sales and auto parts, the one thing I dislike is salespeople who can't be honest about the products they sell. They forget that part of customer service is making sure the customer's needs are met. Sometimes that means losing a sale. I would much rather have a salesperson be honest and say "you know, you can buy this same thing for nearly half the price at that other store." That would make me want to come back to that place to buy the things that they are more known for. I mean, come on, NAPA isn't an electronics store, they're a parts store.
Apr 15th 2017, 12:29 PM   #14
 JohnnyM's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Pullman, WA

  '73 CB350F, '86 VFR750F, '00 Aprilia RS250, '04 Aprilia RSV1000 R Factory(x2), '07 Star 1100 Classic
Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
You might want to go to the actual Pilot website. There you will see that they only list the CL-3016, no "WK" version of it. So as far as the manufacturer is even concerned they are the same camera.
That isn't the site previously mentioned, referenced, or linked above. The Wal-Mart site however, is. Saying "as far as the manufacturer is even concerned they are the same camera" is quite a stretch. Wanna guess the real reason why the manufacturer doesn't list the Wal-mart part number?

This review is of the version of the camera sold by, and purchased at NAPA. I've already stated I don't care where you buy it, and if you can supply a link for the same item with a lower price- do it, and more power to you. Instead, you continue to crap on this thread- and why is that?

Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
The reason this bugs me is that after working years in retail, including both auto sales and auto parts, the one thing I dislike is salespeople who can't be honest about the products they sell. They forget that part of customer service is making sure the customer's needs are met. Sometimes that means losing a sale. I would much rather have a salesperson be honest and say "you know, you can buy this same thing for nearly half the price at that other store." That would make me want to come back to that place to buy the things that they are more known for. I mean, come on, NAPA isn't an electronics store, they're a parts store.
You don't know me, and I don't know you. But what I do know is I've been completely transparent and honest from literally the first sentence on this post, and I'm sure several other members of this board will back me up on my reputation as a "straight-shooter". I take pride in being so, and your calling me into question based on conjecture and personal issues is frankly insulting.

Based on your quote above, you seem to be set on starting s#!+ on this thread for exactly that- some personal vendetta-type reasons based entirely on past experiences with...wait for it...other people, NOT me.

Just because you had a bad experience somewhere else doesn't mean everyone is out to screw you, nor does it give you license to be a jerk. If you intend to continue to do so, please do it by yourself and away from this informational and non-sales related thread.

Last paragraph above tl;dr- "GFY, and GTFO with your issues."

Now, on with your regularly scheduled review...

Edited by JohnnyM on Apr 15th 2017 at 01:29 PM
Apr 15th 2017, 12:56 PM   #15
 uhoh's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Tri-Cities, dry side of Washington

  Kawasaki C-14
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyM
This review is of the version of the camera sold by, and purchased at NAPA. I've already stated I don't care where you buy it, and if you can supply a link for the same item with a lower price- do it, and more power to you...
Could be an option for my 1st action camera, so looking forward to your demo videos, JohnnyM.
I prefer NAPA - since their purchased car parts have always worked for me, unlike O'Reilly or Autozone.
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