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Aug 15th 2017, 08:06 AM   #31
 
  May 2016
  SW Portland

OP: Thank you for this post!

Question: What do you do professionally? Is it a stressful job? Stress is another huge factor in this equation, and I'd be interested to hear how you think it played a role in your cardiovascular struggles.
Aug 15th 2017, 08:45 AM   #32
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
Yes. I agree. In fact, I had a long talk with a cardio nurse going over all my risk factors and the one area I was vulnerable in is stress.

I am not religious or spiritual, do not meditate or do yoga. As I said, I relieve anxiety and stress with cardio exercise or weight lifting. It calms me down afterward. But probably doesn't have the same effect as meditation.

My job is doing graphic design inhouse, so for the most part moderate to low stress unless on deadline.

But another area may be sleep. I have never been able to sleep more than six or seven hours at night. Sometimes it seems enough. But sometimes I get sleepy during the day. On the weekends, I may take a 20 minute nap to get back on track. But I can't do that during the work week.
Aug 15th 2017, 10:42 AM   #33
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  Feb 2016
  Poulsbo, WA

  Aprilia RSV Mille, CB77, CB750K, CB750F
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Laughter is the best medicine. For this, DocB, you win the post of the day!
Thank you. I like your sig. Might be the best observation made in this thread.

OP - kidding aside I really admire your hard work to solve your health issues and your sharing of info that might be helpful to others. In my professional opinion all you need to improve your condition from here is to do something silly once in a while.
Aug 15th 2017, 10:56 AM   #34
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  Jan 2016
  Buckley

  BMW R1100S '98 HD FXD 08 CBR600RR-track
Eating meat was the most significant factor in the evolution of mankind. Without it humans could not have developed a larger brain. That brain invented tools and made motorcycles with them. Our teeth? Omnivores without question.

Chopster
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Aug 15th 2017, 11:08 AM   #35
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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Originally Posted by Transported
But another area may be sleep. I have never been able to sleep more than six or seven hours at night. Sometimes it seems enough. But sometimes I get sleepy during the day. On the weekends, I may take a 20 minute nap to get back on track. But I can't do that during the work week.
Sleep can be a huge factor. Several years back my wife's Dr had her do a sleep test. They found that she never really dropped into the restorative sleep long enough and was waking up a lot during the night. What they said was that a lack of sleep can cause heart issues, weight gain, and numerable neurological issues.
Aug 15th 2017, 11:42 AM   #36
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
Sleep may have been and may continue to be a factor in my disease. But I doubt that if I had figured out a way to get the recommended 8 hours in that I would suddenly have excellent cholesterol and blood pressure readings and I would have seen the quick turnaround in my general health and been able to get off my meds. This was from diet.

And as for meat eaters having bigger brains, that is a theory, and they more recently found that primates who eat fruit, like bonobos and chimps, have bigger brains because they think it requires a lot more brain power to figure out how to obtain fruit than to just grab a leaf and begin munching. Darwinian selection for those who figured out how to get the most delectable foods.

http://http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/03/27/521423216/what-gave-some-primates-bigger-brains-a-fruit-filled-diet

And I have already shown that human teeth and jaws are nothing like an omnivore's.
Aug 15th 2017, 06:03 PM   #37
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Dragon
funny how the diet thing becomes like every other damned thing - we mostly just defend our beliefs and do not necessarily listen to evidence and make rational choices.

everything becomes identity and stops there.

stasis is devolution.
Aug 15th 2017, 06:20 PM   #38
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
That may be true about a lot of things. And what we think of as certainty in WFPB eating will probably be proved at least partially untrue one day.

But the preponderance of evidence is that our Western diseases are mostly caused by our lifestyle, which is to say diet and lack of exercise. Too much animal and too little plant. Too much sitting on our asses and too little moving around.

For me, it is enough that the WFPB diet is the only one shown to consistently reverse heart disease and diabetes.

And if you think the paleo/low carb side has legitimacy, take a gander at the pudgy, unhealthy proponents of those diets, if their lack of scientific proof doesn't convince you of their longterm lack of health benefits.
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Aug 15th 2017, 08:19 PM   #39
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

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And if you think the paleo/low carb side has legitimacy, take a gander at the pudgy, unhealthy proponents of those diets, if their lack of scientific proof doesn't convince you of their longterm lack of health benefits.
Ah, you had to ruin it, didn't ya, and go from inspirational story to my-way-or-the-highway. I don't do paleo myself but right away I can think of three people I know very well who exercise regularly and are on some version of paleo diet and they look very athletic.
Aug 15th 2017, 09:45 PM   #40
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  Apr 2016
  PDX

  2014 Triumph Daytona 675R
Thanks for sharing your story!

Just throwing this out there- if you are still interested in group rides you could always plan one out to have lunch at a vegan place - myself & and other riders as well I'm sure would join

Despite some horrific eating habits early in life, I'm on a much better path now. In the last 2 years especially I have made a bigger commitment to eating less processed foods, more veggies, and far less sugar. Around that time I had visited Thailand for 2 weeks, which helped me stop "cold turkey" from a lot of my diet norms (In addition to tons of walking every day I came back noticeably lighter). One of the hostels we stayed at was also a Vegetarian restaurant, and ate a fair amount of meals there. One thing that has made a big difference for me is eating lunch a little earlier in the day, which helps prevent me from getting insanely hungry and overeating. I do still eat a fair amount of meat, but most is cooked by me and leaner cuts.

-If there is one thing I am convinced of, it is Fish Oil supplementation https://www.foundmyfitness.com/ebook...ceofomega3.pdf

-For the "devout" meat eaters - interesting listen from 5min-8min hearing Aaron Rodgers discuss a veggie burger You Made It Weird #310: Aaron Rodgers | Nerdist
Aug 15th 2017, 10:22 PM   #41
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  Feb 2016
  Poulsbo, WA

  Aprilia RSV Mille, CB77, CB750K, CB750F
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Ah, you had to ruin it, didn't ya, and go from inspirational story to my-way-or-the-highway. I don't do paleo myself but right away I can think of three people I know very well who exercise regularly and are on some version of paleo diet and they look very athletic.
Yeah. Suddenly I had a great urge to kick a carrot.
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Aug 16th 2017, 12:24 AM   #42
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
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Ah, you had to ruin it, didn't ya, and go from inspirational story to my-way-or-the-highway. I don't do paleo myself but right away I can think of three people I know very well who exercise regularly and are on some version of paleo diet and they look very athletic.
That is exactly the point: look very athletic. Those on a ketosis type diet can lose weight and get muscle for a time. But it is what is happening in the arteries that matters. The reason the WFPB works to reverse disease and if done right lead to weight loss is because it eliminates the very things that Atkins-type diets double down on. Check the cholesterol levels of a paleo dieter. Those diets are even labeled as fad diets. To compare them is a false equivalency.

Oh, and by proponents, I didn't mean individual paleo dieters. I meant the people who introduce those diets. You assume they maintain themselves on their diet so they should be the proof of the pudding. If so, then the pudding is pretty fat and unappetizing.

Edited by Transported on Aug 16th 2017 at 12:50 AM
Aug 16th 2017, 12:43 AM   #43
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
Greg, I am glad to see you are on a healthier trend and just adding plants means you are eliminating less healthy items. So that is good in itself.

I checked your links and could not listen to the Nerd one. But about Omega 3 I agree.

They are critical to a diet. And the balance of Omega 3 and 6 should be maintained. The problem is with oils, Americans get far too many 6 and too few 3. So, rather than eat less 6 foods, they try to balance it with 3 in the form of supplements.

Besides my reading that Omega 3 fish oil pills haven't been shown to actually bestow the benefits that getting Omega 3 from natural sources does, you may have the issue of fish oils containing those biotoxins fish contain these days.

A better, effective and safer way to obtain Omega 3 is to eat a couple of tablespoons of flaxseed meal or chia seed meal every day. Or even walnuts. I put walnuts in my oatmeal and sprinkle flaxseed meal in smoothies or anything I make. It is mostly tasteless and adds a nutty flavor if you detect it at all. It is also on Dr. Greger's daily dozen necessary foods to maintain good health.

As your article notes, fish get their complete Omega 3 from the microalgae they eat. So you could and perhaps should seek out the EPA/DHA in the source microalgae form. It can be found where supplements are sold. You can get it from eating fish. But then you again have the very high bio toxins and cholesterol.

Edited by Transported on Aug 16th 2017 at 01:50 AM
Aug 16th 2017, 09:00 AM   #44
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  Apr 2016
  Renton

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Yeah. Suddenly I had a great urge to kick a carrot.
All this flaxseed smoothy talk makes me want a milkshake.

I tried a carrot / orange / grapefruit / turmeric / ginger juice and a watermelon / lime / basil juice at the farmer's market yesterday... blech. Not my choice of flavor combinations. And those were the "tame" combinations. I love some orange or cranberry or apple juice, but once you put in stuff I would grow in a lawn... nope. Let the cows eat chia / flax / alfalfa, and I'll eat the cow.

Not bashing you veg heads, but I take everything in moderation and it hasn't done me any harm. I wouldn't mind stopping at a veg restaurant - some of that shit is really good, but I couldn't do it full time. Obviously some folks have different needs, and that's fine. As long as you're not fixing my plate

Edited by HalcyonSon on Aug 16th 2017 at 09:03 AM
Aug 16th 2017, 09:20 AM   #45
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

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