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Mar 9th 2019, 04:42 PM   #1
 
  Jan 2016
  SE PDX

Sometimes it pays to wait.

So a few years ago I went to the KTM demo days to try the new 2016 duke 690. I had a feeling I'd like it so I rode my VTX over and brought the title with me.

Smart move KTM, demo days, ride any of these bikes, yea I had no chance.

So after the rides I walk into the dealer to see what kind of terms we can come to. No luck. I was only offered a grand for the VTX and they wouldn't budge on the $8,999 msrp price of the duke. So it didn't happen, I just couldn't pay 8k on top of the VTX.

I sold the VTX on craigslist later that year for a bit over three grand.

Well that duke was always on my mind.

So today, I brought home a new 2017 duke 690. It was old stock so it sold for $6,999.

so patience, or stubbornness about paying sticker, brought me to today, where it was only 4k on top of the VTX for the Duke.

Now I've got to break the engine in, scrub in the tires, and get used to paying $18/quart for the recommended motorex oil.

I figure that since the bike has two oil screens in addition to the two different oil filters, KTM is serious about the oil in this bike.
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Mar 9th 2019, 05:16 PM   #2
 Pavement Tested's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seabeck

  '08 GSX1300R, '06 GSX-R 750, '17 KTM 690 Duke
Good choice. I bought a leftover 2017 690 this past Oct. Got out the door for about $7800 so I think I did ok since I sold my Concours14 for $6700.

Here's the down side, the suspension is soggy AF and the ONLY adjustment is the shock spring preload, and it's a notched collar at that. Also, because you bought it after April 2018, you can't put the Track Pack on it even though its a 2017. KTM changed their policy due to emissions regulations and reflashed the ECU so the option is no longer available. I was pissed when I found out.

Have fun on it. It's a hell of a lot of fun!

Oh, get the KTM factory upgrade seat, you'll thank me later.
Mar 9th 2019, 05:40 PM   #3
 
  Jan 2016
  SE PDX

Thanks. Well, shoot, guess I won't read up on the track pack.

Funny thing, my fun around town bike had been a klx 250 in supermoto trim, with the 2x4 wrapped in vinyl as a seat, so I was revealing the luxuriousness of the seat. Now your telling me it gets even better?
Mar 9th 2019, 05:42 PM   #4
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
Congratulations on your new ride. Sounds like you got a great deal.
Mar 9th 2019, 06:31 PM   #5
 
  Apr 2016
  WA

Sad part is motorex is not even that good of an oil. Sheers down really fast.
Mar 9th 2019, 08:09 PM   #6
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  Jan 2016
  Seabeck

  '08 GSX1300R, '06 GSX-R 750, '17 KTM 690 Duke
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryanthegreat1
Sad part is motorex is not even that good of an oil. Sheers down really fast.
That's why KTM maintenance intervals are so short...
Mar 9th 2019, 08:29 PM   #7
 
  Apr 2016
  WA

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Originally Posted by Pavement Tested
That's why KTM maintenance intervals are so short...
Eh, the RC8 has an oil change interval of 6,200 miles on 3.6l of oil. I would never go that far but that is the recommended.

The more worrisome figure is the 4,650 miles on 1.6l in the RC390.
Mar 9th 2019, 10:28 PM   #8
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  Jan 2016
  Seabeck

  '08 GSX1300R, '06 GSX-R 750, '17 KTM 690 Duke
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryanthegreat1
Eh, the RC8 has an oil change interval of 6,200 miles on 3.6l of oil. I would never go that far but that is the recommended.

The more worrisome figure is the 4,650 miles on 1.6l in the RC390.
I was just kidding. The 690 oil service life is 6200 miles as well.
Mar 10th 2019, 11:57 AM   #9
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  Jan 2016
  Hazel Dell, Wa

  Honda VFR800, Husqvarna TE 610, Ducati Hypermotard 1100S, Yamaha Radian, MZ 125SM
Perhaps you can find a dealer in Canada that will do it since they don't have to deal with EPA stuff.
Mar 10th 2019, 12:48 PM   #10
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  Jan 2016
  Seabeck

  '08 GSX1300R, '06 GSX-R 750, '17 KTM 690 Duke
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Originally Posted by Flyboymedic
Perhaps you can find a dealer in Canada that will do it since they don't have to deal with EPA stuff.
Hhhmmmmm……..something to look into.
Mar 13th 2019, 06:12 AM   #11
DGA
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  Jan 2016
  PDX

  An Ape and a Husky
Congratulations! Great bike!

I've moved on to using Rotella T6 5w-40 in everything from my Tuono, Gas Gas, ZX10, Husky SM, CB550, turbo Subaru, turbo F150, old Accord, boat motor, lawnmower,... Great oil that's proved time and time again that it does not have to be expensive to change your bike oil and be safe on your wet clutch (it meets the JASO MA specification for wet clutches).

If you are paranoid, send an oil sample after one change to Blackstone labs for analysis. It's about $25 for a peace of mind.



$55 for a three pack of gallon jugs on Amazon..https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...KIKX0DER&psc=1
Mar 13th 2019, 06:36 AM   #12
 
  Jan 2016
  Portland

I use Rotella T6 too, seems good.
Mar 13th 2019, 11:32 AM   #13
 
  Apr 2016
  WA

On the T6 subject,

They recently changed the formulation for T6. It was CJ-4 rated, it is now CK-4. This means slightly less of the high pressure lubricants, sulfur and phosphorus. Still a great oil.

HOWEVER Ford said CK-4 is not to be used in their Powerstrokes. Is that Ford marketing wank or is there a problem? Also keep in mind Ford came out with their own oil specification at the same time, WSS-M2C171-F1.

It does still carry the JASO MA/MA2 certification.

Also not to be confused the the 5W-30 T6, that is an SN oil that DOES NOT carry any of the JASO MA/MA2 certifications. Also very low on the high pressure lubricants to meet the SN rating.
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Edited by Ryanthegreat1 on Mar 13th 2019 at 11:35 AM
Mar 15th 2019, 01:59 PM   #14
 
  Jan 2016
  SE PDX

Gresham KTM (well used to be gresham KTM) says they can install the track pack.

We will see how it goes at my first service.

And, I've found my first complaint with this bike:

Finally a nice day weather wise, and I did 50 miles on my favorite back roads.

Now I've done these roads a hundred times on the vstrom, I know my braking points, I know when to shift over on the seat, I know when I'm about to grind hard parts, and I know when to lean and believe.


On the 690, nothing.

This #*&*$% bike STRAIGHTENS the roads.

No need to start braking at my brake points, no need to muscle the bike back and forth, no need to shift on the seat and get ready to lean, heck. no need to lean, just turn.

Frankly, no need for anything but thinking "lets go there."

So where did all my 'twisty' roads go?

Edited by Dragon Rider on Mar 15th 2019 at 02:02 PM
Mar 18th 2019, 10:51 AM   #15
DGA
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  Jan 2016
  PDX

  An Ape and a Husky
That weight thing is something isn't it?!

Even going from a 320 lbs. SM to a 280 lbs. one, I notice the same thing as going from a 450 lbs. sport bike to a SM.
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