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Mar 2nd 2020, 02:43 PM   #1
 chadams66's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Garden Home

  2012 Versys...'83 BMW R80 RT...Suzuki GS 450t
some bike news..some other news

I don't expect Harley to fade away to dust..but things are getting worse...meanwhile more EV news from Toyota and other things of slight interest to motorheads...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...zlG?li=BBnbfcL

Mar 2nd 2020, 03:22 PM   #2
 
  Feb 2016
  Spokane

  Vstrom 1000, DRZ 400 XR600 and way to many vintage mxers to list
I read the same article this morning.

Selling more motorcycles to 60+ year old's will not solve Harley's long term problems. They still must figure out how to bring young people to the market. But so does the entire motorcycle industry.

A cruiser is not my bike of choice for everyday riding, but I would own a touring cruiser if they could bring the cost down $10,000. Yes, I know I could buy used but I don't want to.

I would love to ride a Harley touring bike from time to time, but not for $28,000. I would buy one if they were priced at or below 18k. Yes, 10k is a big deal to me.

The manufactures must understand they are pricing many riders out of the market and they have been for years.
Mar 2nd 2020, 07:04 PM   #3
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2007 Aprilia Tuono Factory, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
Thats exactly what keeps this overvalued economy afloat in this country; overpricing. Bought a day pass at Meadows lately? Yeah, me neither. Pricing skiing right out of all but the rich's hands. It's bullshit. Harley promotes themselves as a high end manufacturer of high end machines. Maybe. But I'll wager that the average Harley employee can't afford to purchase one of their machines. Unless, of course, they finance it for 7-12 years. Right. Those things depreciate at ridiculous rates. When it's all said and done, you could'a bought 3 bikes for the one you financed, not to mention it breaking down and bein in the shop more often than it's on the road. It's about sustainability. Their business model is one of unsustainability. Fuck em if they can't adapt and diversify. I don't really see them spending that much on advertising (compared to the big 3 auto makers), so I don't know how they're losing so much money and not doing anything about it. Once the boomers fade away, then what? I have no sympathy for that company. Let Trump save em, fucking hypocrite.
Mar 2nd 2020, 08:29 PM   #4
 
  Jan 2016
  Gig Harbor

  BMW F650GS / BMW R12R
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Let Trump save em, fucking hypocrite.
Well, if thatís what is necessary for Harley to survive then itís truly SOL. Trump is pissed at Harley for moving some of its manufacturing offshore to avoid the reciprocal tariffs that the Europeans enacted in response to U.S. (Trumpís) tariffs. Harley made a difficult business decision as it tries to remain solvent, but it apparently wasnít aligned with the MAGA ideal.
Mar 2nd 2020, 08:42 PM   #5
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Let Trump save em
I was thinking..as per the article..he just might need a new job here in the near future..what better person to be the CEO to turn around Harley...perfect fit..I mean those biker's for trump aren't riding Hondas or BMWs...

I also like the news on EVs...they're coming on faster than most think...
Mar 3rd 2020, 08:14 AM   #6
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  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

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Originally Posted by chadams66
I mean those biker's for trump aren't riding Hondas or BMWs...
I am sure you have facts to back that up.... Or your friends lie to you to avoid an argument....
Mar 3rd 2020, 10:16 AM   #7
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I am sure you have facts to back that up.... Or your friends lie to you to avoid an argument....
have you ever seen a picture of them? I mean..really? it wouldn't be soo funny if it wasn't true...meanwhile back at the ranch.............hahahahahahahahaha

do riders of Hondas and BMWs support..err..him? sure..but it's most a Harley club...you ever ride a non harley with a harley group...they'll be polite..but you might as well be a foreigner..and being all about HIM is not being a foreigner..not buying foreigner bikes..."Murica baby..not Japan..NOT Germany...

Edited by chadams66 on Mar 3rd 2020 at 11:23 AM
Mar 3rd 2020, 12:22 PM   #8
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
I had several HD's in my riding career. I went toward them in a fit of wanting to try something new. I went away from them for being heavy and, well, boring. I like the movement part of riding.
But this is true: damn things were as reliable as hammers. Got 40mpg no matter what. Burned not a droplelt of oil. Neither did they leak. Started first time, every time. No mechanical or electrical problems. Not even a flat tire. I had a FatBoy, a Softail Standard, an Ultra Classic, and a Nightster, not all at once, and over a few years interspersed by Mostly Kawasakis and a couple Hondas.
I'd never buy another HD though. Not my thing as I am moved-on to smaller/funner bikes.
But you just can't say they were mechanically unsound.
Hot? Yep.
Noisy? Yep.
Heavy? Yep.
Over-priced? Hell yep.
Boring? Yep.
But I never once got let down or stranded with one.
I think they could have a shot at something electric and small-ish, but HD is slave to battery tech same as everyone but Tesla, who is making their own physics, it seems.
With that said, I'm a no-go with electric vehicles because my Leaf experience, bought it new for 40k sold it with 65 thousand miles for 4k because the battery was kaput and replacement was insanely expensive and Nissan didn't make the Gen 2/3 batteries backward compatible.
I think self-driving is gonna force us into electrics though, but that will also move us away from individual ownership and into transportation as a service (ala Uber). We will accept that change in part because insurance companies are gonna force it on us.
I think motorcycles are going extinct, and that electrick "bikes" are gonna displace them. Im OK with that.
Mar 3rd 2020, 01:10 PM   #9
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With that said, I'm a no-go with electric vehicles because my Leaf experience, bought it new for 40k sold it with 65 thousand miles for 4k because the battery was kaput and replacement was insanely expensive and Nissan didn't make the Gen 2/3 batteries backward compatible.
your big mistake was buying a Nisan..not buying an electric car...that said..there are lots of vids on youtube on how to replace the battery in a Nissan as well as other EVs...it doesn't have to be "insanely" expensive...
you may not like them..you may not want one..chances are if you live another 20 years you'll be driving one...if the climate changes on a dime..which some have predicted..you may be forced by the government to do so...
Mar 3rd 2020, 06:38 PM   #10
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
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Originally Posted by chadams66
your big mistake was buying a Nisan..not buying an electric car...that said..there are lots of vids on youtube on how to replace the battery in a Nissan as well as other EVs...it doesn't have to be "insanely" expensive...
you may not like them..you may not want one..chances are if you live another 20 years you'll be driving one...if the climate changes on a dime..which some have predicted..you may be forced by the government to do so...
concur that i'll be riding in one. but i doubt ill own one.

Mar 4th 2020, 05:54 AM   #11
 
  Apr 2017
  Seattle

  DL650A
Gee, my V-Strom is reliable as a hammer, gets 40+ mpg, starts every time, has never left me stranded, and is boring, too.

And it was less than $9k new, and weighs less than 500 lbs.

PS: The "... heavy motorcycles like the one Marlon Brando rode ..." were actually Triumph Thunderbird 650s. Less than 400 lbs. 34 hp. If the Wild One had ridden a Harley, it probably would have been a K model. 400 lbs. 30 hp.
Mar 4th 2020, 10:45 PM   #12
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  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

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Originally Posted by juanitotheclumsy
Gee, my V-Strom is reliable as a hammer, gets 40+ mpg, starts every time, has never left me stranded, and is boring, too.

And it was less than $9k new, and weighs less than 500 lbs.

PS: The "... heavy motorcycles like the one Marlon Brando rode ..." were actually Triumph Thunderbird 650s. Less than 400 lbs. 34 hp. If the Wild One had ridden a Harley, it probably would have been a K model. 400 lbs. 30 hp.
There you go again, stating facts! YOU ARE BANNED!!!
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