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May 23rd 2019, 12:41 PM   #91
 liberpolly's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
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Originally Posted by Oregon Motorcycle
The bill bill that passed in Utah is a waste of time IMO. They just made up a lane splitting/sharing bill, which is nothing like cali or the rest of the world. It does nothing to help congestion or safety on the freeways. Or in moving traffic for that matter lol.
It's a good first step, extremely helpful for us city riders. The more bills like this pass, the better for all of us.
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May 23rd 2019, 03:14 PM   #92
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2009 Aprilia RSVR, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
O.. you so cynical, Sentinel. I think I'm sexually aroused. All this fucking goin on and I just get it from the ol lady

Gotta love Walter tho, "I didn't watch my friends die face down in the muck for nothing, I'm sittin here and finishin my coffee". What a great movie.
May 23rd 2019, 03:40 PM   #93
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
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Originally Posted by Oregon Motorcycle
I don't think so, but thats just me.

I wonder sometimes.... why?

Why was this bill passed in Utah of all places?

Why only when cars are stopped? Is there data to back this up? There is data to back it up when cars are moving, so who in the hell came up with this? What if any data or test or studies did they account for when they wrote this up? What polititian studies traffic behavior and safety? I might be wrong because I don't know how this bill was formed, but seems to me this bill passing has nothing to do with motorcyclist. Again I could be wrong.

My roommate and I were discussing this the other night... We both agreed on why someone would push a bill,...

I feel we need to have the CHP up here next year explaining the benefits to these knuckleheads. Instead we have the OSP explaining how we shouldn't allow it. Again why? What data does the OSP have, or anyone in Oregon, have pertaining to lane sharing? Nothing, because it has never been legal. Yet all these people are experts on the matter.... Even my roomy has issues sometimes understanding the benefits and he rides! But he has never ridden in Cali.

If it is in fact a "first step", when does the real lane sharing bill get passed?
Maybe they want to be sure that drivers won't swerve into the motorcyclists in feats of rage? And if everything goes Ok, they'll expand it?

I don't know the motivation, but I do know if would benefit me in WA if it passed even in the limited Utah edition. Why is it not a good thing?
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May 23rd 2019, 03:49 PM   #94
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2012 Ninja 250, Tiger 800
Portland Police is worried about enforceability, which I can at least understand, though CHP doesn't have a problem. ODOT though, is completely nonsensical. They don't have any logical basis for their opposition, and they have zero experience with it. Blows my mind.

McKeown needs to go though. She didn't win her district by much, and she clearly doesn't give a shit what us citizens think.
May 23rd 2019, 03:55 PM   #95
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  Dec 2018
  Goldendale WA

  Classic Sportsters, Triumph & BSA
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Originally Posted by Oregon Motorcycle
I don't think so, but thats just me.

I wonder sometimes.... why?

Why was this bill passed in Utah of all places?

Why only when cars are stopped? Is there data to back this up? There is data to back it up when cars are moving, so who in the hell came up with this? What if any data or test or studies did they account for when they wrote this up? What polititian studies traffic behavior and safety? I might be wrong because I don't know how this bill was formed, but seems to me this bill passing has nothing to do with motorcyclist. Again I could be wrong.

My roommate and I were discussing this the other night... We both agreed on why someone would push a bill,...

I feel we need to have the CHP up here next year explaining the benefits to these knuckleheads. Instead we have the OSP explaining how we shouldn't allow it. Again why? What data does the OSP have, or anyone in Oregon, have pertaining to lane sharing? Nothing, because it has never been legal. Yet all these people are experts on the matter.... Even my roomy has issues sometimes understanding the benefits and he rides! But he has never ridden in Cali.

If it is in fact a "first step", when does the real lane sharing bill get passed?
We tried to get CHP to testify in Olympia but their managers wouldn't let them do it. However, he guy we talked to (CHP Officer) said it was great! He can actually get home in a short amount of time cuz he can split.
May 23rd 2019, 09:02 PM   #96
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  Jan 2016
  Silverdale, WA

  848evo, DRZ400SM, XR100
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We tried to get CHP to testify in Olympia but their managers wouldn't let them do it. However, he guy we talked to (CHP Officer) said it was great! He can actually get home in a short amount of time cuz he can split.
Maybe we should start a "gofundme" for an CHP to come up and testify. Pay for all his expenses, if it's a cost thingy for their managers........
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May 23rd 2019, 09:13 PM   #97
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2012 Ninja 250, Tiger 800
Anti-gun groups and the anti-vaxxers bus in loads of people to protest and stuff, no reason we can't bus in a bunch of CHP to testify. McKeown seems to have a thing for public institutions testifying, maybe it would knock some sense into her.
May 24th 2019, 06:10 AM   #98
 
  May 2016
  Portland

Reporting back from the trenches of the HB2314 fight ...

Yes, HB2314 effectively "died in committee" this year.

Even though the bill was unsuccessful, the effort riders put into it was exceptional, and much appreciated. I personally have been working on lane sharing bills for ~six years now, and I've never seen such support down in Salem. Many legislators told us "my constituents really support this!"; your emails and phone calls helped make that happen. THANK YOU!

We're organizing a Town Hall meeting in Portland mid-June, to let folks know what happened this year, and how we can build on this year's work. It'll also be a chance to ask questions. As soon as we nail down the time, day, and location details, I'll post them up here (as well as laneshareoregon.com).
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May 24th 2019, 06:41 AM   #99
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  Mar 2016
  Oregon

Lane split all the way from Beaverton to oregon city last night. Nobody honked or bitched, seems at least, that most drivers get it. I've done it off and on for years, mostly because I know full well the cost of getting pinched. It's just not worth the potential outcome if a cop wants to be a dick. Trust me, and I'm not talking money.
May 24th 2019, 08:43 AM   #100
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2009 Aprilia RSVR, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
Enforceability? Are you kidding me? I RARELY see LEO's on freeways now as it is. This is a CONTROL issue, not an enforce-ability issue. I'm pretty sure most LEO's know that it's a good idea and it works and it's safe, the Idiots In Charge (aka policymakers, lawmakers, whatever), are the one's that are scared. That's right, I said it; they're SCARED. Scared of their own shadow. Scared that someone might move to the front of the line ahead of them. Scared that someone might have the freedom to move better, quicker, faster, safer than themselves. This is all about control. Pussies.

I see asshole cagers on their phones CONSTANTLY, like 6 out of every 10 drivers, I don't see them "enforcing" that.. what a bunch of bullshit. Hypocrites galore.
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Edited by craiger on May 24th 2019 at 08:49 AM
May 24th 2019, 09:07 AM   #101
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  Jan 2016
  PDX

  An Ape and a Husky
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Originally Posted by patrino
Reporting back from the trenches of the HB2314 fight ...

Yes, HB2314 effectively "died in committee" this year.

Even though the bill was unsuccessful, the effort riders put into it was exceptional, and much appreciated. I personally have been working on lane sharing bills for ~six years now, and I've never seen such support down in Salem. Many legislators told us "my constituents really support this!"; your emails and phone calls helped make that happen. THANK YOU!

We're organizing a Town Hall meeting in Portland mid-June, to let folks know what happened this year, and how we can build on this year's work. It'll also be a chance to ask questions. As soon as we nail down the time, day, and location details, I'll post them up here (as well as laneshareoregon.com).

Thanks for driving this and spreading the news. Sadly it died, but it seems like there is a little more traction with this each year. We'll just have to make even more of an effort next year.
May 24th 2019, 02:46 PM   #102
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2009 Aprilia RSVR, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
Hey look.. proof is in the puddin..

https://www.rideapart.com/articles/3...ering-matters/
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May 24th 2019, 05:47 PM   #103
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
print that damn picture out, laminate it, and carry it with you in 8.5x11 format. filter to the front. when The Man yanks your chain, show it to him. then take your ticket.

everyone's gotta choose.

i say :
May 24th 2019, 07:25 PM   #104
 
  Jun 2016
  Portland area

Happens all the time. Rear end collisions account for 28% of all accidents. Be ready to split lanes in a hurry and watch your mirrors.

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May 25th 2019, 01:38 PM   #105
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2009 Aprilia RSVR, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
Well, I can certainly see the compelling evidence AGAINST filtering. Shit, we're all just a bunch of law-breakin, patch wearin, daughter screwin hooligans and outlaws, right? What year is this again? It's gettin to be an old argument already. Every cager I talk to about splitting is dead set against it. I ask why, and I don't get an intelligent response; quite the opposite. More often than not, it's a blank stare, like "are you kidding me, it's so unsafe", as if said dumbshit cager cares about "our" safety. They don't know why they don't like it, they just don't.
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