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Sep 30th 2018, 05:20 PM   #46
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^ That would be Eastbound on I-84.
No, I meant Westbound, as in coming into Portland from the direction of Hood River. If you're from Portland and you go for a ride on a weekday, you might as well stay out past 7 because you're not getting back in, from any direction, without resorting to extreme measures. But at least there are no ramps on that stretch so it's a broad shoulder with a clear field the whole way. I wouldn't go near the shoulder in town because you'd have to cross offramps.
Sep 30th 2018, 05:27 PM   #47
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  Jan 2016
  Hazel Dell, Wa

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Ah, gotcha. I was thinking you meant the other on-ramp further south, from I-84 eastbound to I-205 north.
I just checked and my friend rides shoulders on both ramps.
Oct 2nd 2018, 05:25 AM   #48
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Even when I leave for work at about 5 AM I-84 Westbound is starting to congest. It's only going to get worse. I'd ride my bike all the time to work if lane splitting was permitted. It's a parking lot on I-5 Northbound at 3 o'clock through Portland.
Oct 2nd 2018, 07:24 AM   #49
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2007 Aprilia Tuono Factory, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
It's a veritable conundrum. City leaders want single occupant vehicles down to a minimum, but the reverse is and will continue to happen. They defiantly deny motorcyclists the opportunity to lane share to encourage and entice more two wheeled traffic, thus making more room for the transport of goods and services and emergency vehicles and whatnot. So, to me, it's a very hypocritical stance by civic leaders. If they want less cars on the road, it seems like a no-brainer to educate cagers about the benefits of riding; lane sharing being one of the benefits. How about a tax break if one purchases a Zero electric bike? Or maybe even a scaled tax break system depending on the CC size of your ride? Say if you ride a KTM 390, you get a nice, hefty tax break. But me, since I ride a 1200 VFR, I don't get quite the break. Sorry for the mish-mash of ideas in run-on form, but I'm not exactly a scholar, just a scrub who rides. And lane splits if necessary, legal or not.
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Oct 2nd 2018, 03:57 PM   #50
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  Jan 2016
  Kirkland

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It's a veritable conundrum. City leaders want single occupant vehicles down to a minimum, but the reverse is and will continue to happen. They defiantly deny motorcyclists the opportunity to lane share to encourage and entice more two wheeled traffic, thus making more room for the transport of goods and services and emergency vehicles and whatnot. So, to me, it's a very hypocritical stance by civic leaders. If they want less cars on the road, it seems like a no-brainer to educate cagers about the benefits of riding; lane sharing being one of the benefits. How about a tax break if one purchases a Zero electric bike? Or maybe even a scaled tax break system depending on the CC size of your ride? Say if you ride a KTM 390, you get a nice, hefty tax break. But me, since I ride a 1200 VFR, I don't get quite the break. Sorry for the mish-mash of ideas in run-on form, but I'm not exactly a scholar, just a scrub who rides. And lane splits if necessary, legal or not.
The tax break would come in the lower fuel consumption plus it's more environmentally friendly!
Oct 3rd 2018, 12:24 PM   #51
 
  May 2016
  Milwaukie, OR

  2016 ZX-10R; 2009 F800GS
A Zero would make a lot of sense as a commuter - I do about 22 miles per day roundtrip.

When I was in and out of Mexico quite a bit in earlier times, lane-splitting there seemed life-saving at times. On the Periferico (ring road around Mexico City), being able to move between vehicles unambiguously kept me and my ZX-9R from being squashed by an older F600 hauling produce that couldn't quite get stopped, despite locking up all 6 wheels.

It's awfully tough to get lawmakers to spend much time making independent evaluations of facts before voting...if the law in question doesn't involve big money. I think that's a lot of the issue with this one.

That, and ODOT's strident opposition.....
Oct 4th 2018, 03:28 PM   #52
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

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So not to beat the proverbial dead horse here, and I know a lot of people from this forum have invested a lot of time and effort on the subject, but I just don't see it happening. At least in my lifetime. And I wanna be around to leech off society for decades to come. If it's a money thing, that's one thing, but to just wave it off as a "safety" issue is just bullshit to me. All those asshole politicians are hypocrites. They only vote the way some lobbyist tells them to vote, and the motorcycling public doesn't have the influence or money or the ability to kiss their asses. So fuck em. I'll split whenever I feel it necessary. No fucks are given here.

P.S. Mad props to those who actively participate in the process thinking they can make a difference in this area. I in no way am attempting to demean or devalue their efforts. Motorcycling is ultimately an individual endeavor, and I accept the risks and consequences of my actions. Considering that I ride approx 10K miles per year, mostly commuting, and approx half of that on I-5 and I-205 with cager infested, cell phone addicted "drivers" who can't travel the posted limit because of limited band-width, i'll judge the situation and propel myself forward as I see fit. I've been splitting for years and have not been popped doing so because unlike cagers, I'm paying attention and share the road.

Edited by craiger on Oct 4th 2018 at 03:29 PM Reason: grammar
Oct 5th 2018, 04:24 AM   #53
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  Apr 2016
  Olympia

  2014 KTM 690 / BMW R1150 GS
Biking is mostly seasonal, we make up a very small% of the traffic, 4 wheelers really dont think of motorcycles.
In other words we are not on the radar, cars could care less along with politicians.
Oct 5th 2018, 09:33 AM   #54
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you're not "on the radar" until you try and slide up to the front of a long slow line of cars and suddenly you are the only thing on the radar, and everyone wants you dead because they are fucktards.
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Oct 5th 2018, 10:54 AM   #55
 
  May 2016
  Milwaukie, OR

  2016 ZX-10R; 2009 F800GS
Yeah, no kidding. My daily commute takes me over the Sellweed bridge, and the number of folks who try to partially fill both lanes is ridiculous. Nice to be on a bike to blast around them.

That DOES put you on their radar!
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