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Aug 8th 2016, 08:36 AM   #1
 Pigs's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Portland

  bicicleta
HELP: Anyone have a master clip to a chain?

Cleaning the chain, noticed that my clip holding the master link on is missing. Seems like every motorcycle shop is closed on mondays so I was wondering if anyone has a spare clip I can have.
Aug 8th 2016, 09:17 AM   #2
 Litre Zebra's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Se Portland

  A black one
Cycle gear.
...and dont use the clip type for obvious reasons
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Aug 8th 2016, 09:54 AM   #3
 ShootPDX's Avatar
 
  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

  SV650S Silver - HD 1250 Hammer Sportster w/Screaming Eagle stuff - GSXR-750 K12
Captain obvious here...

Many of us have found out the hard way...to use rivets vs. clips. But if you must use a clip (don't have access to a chain riveter)...I've heard from the mechanically inclined that if you coat the side of the clip facing the chain plate with green loctite things go much better long term...just don't get any loctite on the chain rollers or the o-rings...

Now the obvious part...the master-link must conform to your chain width....520/525/530 etc...
Aug 8th 2016, 09:59 AM   #4
 Litre Zebra's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Se Portland

  A black one
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShootPDX
Many of us have found out the hard way...to use rivets vs. clips. But if you must use a clip (don't have access to a chain riveter)...I've heard from the mechanically inclined that if you coat the side of the clip facing the chain plate with green loctite things go much better long term...just don't get any loctite on the chain rollers or the o-rings...

Now the obvious part...the master-link must conform to your chain width....520/525/530 etc...
Cycle gear also sells cheap chain tools and just about everything else needed for basic bike maint.
Aug 8th 2016, 10:07 AM   #5
 SmokeyMcNug's Avatar
 
  May 2016
  Olympia, WA

  1996 Kat 600 "Ras-tana"
did my first chain and sprocket swap and used rivet style to save money($8.95 extra for clip style). didnt get the $80 tool either. after some self-bitching for poor choices, i was able to get it with a regular c-clamp alternating back and forth for probably an hour. c-clamp had to have an "indent" on one side to accommodate the pin coming thru. then just finished with a ball-peen hammer with something (used an old masterlock i lost the key to) on the backside of the chain so i didnt break anything.

perfect.
Aug 8th 2016, 02:53 PM   #6
 HalcyonSon's Avatar
 
  Apr 2016
  Renton

All you need is safety wire and a pair of needle nose pliers. I lost my clip so long ago... no idea where, but the chain stayed on just fine without it. The clip or safety wire is just insurance if the plate is installed and wheel is aligned correctly.

I much prefer rivet links. Never had a tool break or any real difficulty. Biggest problem is that most places don't mark a chain as clip vs. rivet. Some stores will even assure you it's a rivet and sell a clip.
Aug 8th 2016, 05:12 PM   #7
 Pavement Tested's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Bremerton

  '12 Concours14, '08 GSX1300R, '06 GSX-R 750
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pigs
Cleaning the chain, noticed that my clip holding the master link on is missing. Seems like every motorcycle shop is closed on mondays so I was wondering if anyone has a spare clip I can have.
Every motorcycle shop is closed on Monday.

If there is no Cycle Gear near you then you can use a piece of safety wire to get you by until you can get the correct parts. .032" wire will work.


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Originally Posted by SmokeyMcNug
did my first chain and sprocket swap and used rivet style to save money($8.95 extra for clip style). didnt get the $80 tool either. after some self-bitching for poor choices, i was able to get it with a regular c-clamp alternating back and forth for probably an hour. c-clamp had to have an "indent" on one side to accommodate the pin coming thru. then just finished with a ball-peen hammer with something (used an old masterlock i lost the key to) on the backside of the chain so i didnt break anything.

perfect.
There is so much wrong with this entire post that it makes me and my OCD want to explode. Please refrain from regaling us with tales of your maintenance practices in the future.
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Edited by Pavement Tested on Aug 8th 2016 at 05:14 PM
Aug 8th 2016, 05:17 PM   #8
 MarvTravis's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Kirkland, WA

  Kawasaki ZX-14
Quote:
Originally Posted by HalcyonSon
All you need is safety wire and a pair of needle nose pliers. I lost my clip so long ago... no idea where, but the chain stayed on just fine without it. The clip or safety wire is just insurance if the plate is installed and wheel is aligned correctly.
No, the clip or safety wire is NOT just insurance! If the master link is the type that has a clip to secure the outer plate, the outer plate simply slips over the two pins of the master link; it is not a force-fit. Without a clip (or safety wire) to hold that outer plate in place, the outer plate is very likely to slip off the pins of the master link.

The outer plate of the master link MUST be secured!
Aug 8th 2016, 05:30 PM   #9
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  May 2016
  Olympia, WA

  1996 Kat 600 "Ras-tana"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavement Tested
There is so much wrong with this entire post that it makes me and my OCD want to explode. Please refrain from regaling us with tales of your maintenance practices in the future.
Ouch.
Aug 8th 2016, 06:22 PM   #10
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  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

  SV650S Silver - HD 1250 Hammer Sportster w/Screaming Eagle stuff - GSXR-750 K12
Firstly...Cycle Gear is currently selling the Stockton Chain Breaker/Riveter kit for $39.99

https://www.cyclegear.com/accessorie...rivet-tool-kit

Basically the same kit Amazon sells under various names for about $26

So before you spend hours try to hammer rivets...and...by the way...the anvil portion of the riveter assures that you don't over-press the side plate which would cause the chain to bind at the rivet point. So...there's no "workaround" for a decent riveting kit...hell...I'll lend you mine before you resort to masterlock & hammer...lol...

I was so anal about mine I pressed the side plate on with the plate press gradually (3-4 times with mildly increasing force) and measured it with a micrometer against the factory pressed links...I was within +/- 1/1000th of an inch of factory spec...and the chain rollers didn't bind at the master-link...free movement of the chain was observed...Part 2 is not over-crimping or mushrooming your rivet heads...as you CAN induce fatigue of the rivets during installation of the master-link...
Aug 8th 2016, 06:54 PM   #11
 ShootPDX's Avatar
 
  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

  SV650S Silver - HD 1250 Hammer Sportster w/Screaming Eagle stuff - GSXR-750 K12
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Originally Posted by Pavement Tested
Every motorcycle shop is closed on Monday.
There is so much wrong with this entire post that it makes me and my OCD want to explode. Please refrain from regaling us with tales of your maintenance practices in the future.
And here's the unstated part of what Mr. Pavement might be alluding to. We can all MacGyver a lot of shit together and make it work... But at the end of the day it's your ass riding on the motorcycle. Worse yet...if you're riding somewhere at the front of the pack...you're putting everybody at risk when your chain binds up and lock up your rear at a buck and change. The first week I went out with the group I usually ride with I told them my chain and sprox were all but dead...and then planted my ass firmly at the rear of the line...because at the end of the day it's not just you that are taking the risks you're taking risks for other folks...
Aug 8th 2016, 07:13 PM   #12
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  Jan 2016
  Bremerton

  '12 Concours14, '08 GSX1300R, '06 GSX-R 750
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShootPDX
And here's the unstated part of what Mr. Pavement might be alluding to. We can all MacGyver a lot of shit together and make it work... But at the end of the day it's your ass riding on the motorcycle. Worse yet...if you're riding somewhere at the front of the pack...you're putting everybody at risk when your chain binds up and lock up your rear at a buck and change. The first week I went out with the group I usually ride with I told them my chain and sprox were all but dead...and then planted my ass firmly at the rear of the line...because at the end of the day it's not just you that are taking the risks you're taking risks for other folks...
Got it in one my friend!

I'm a freak about maintenance and have invested A LOT of money in tools to do it correctly.
Aug 8th 2016, 07:37 PM   #13
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  May 2016
  Olympia, WA

  1996 Kat 600 "Ras-tana"
Well im glad you can afford.all the latest and greatest. unfortunately not everyone can. which is why i bought a 20 year kat for cheap instead of something newer. without going into personal details, this is what i could afford and i am.already throwing money at it (what little is available) in the shop and parts. i dont live near town and this is my only transportation.I use this as a.commuter to work and running errrands. i dont do track days or ride like a douche. i know my limits and i stay well within them.

i am also somewhat new to this and am learning as i go. i dont have a lot of time and not knowing any other riders personally doesnt help. i scoured forums and sites and with the tools available i worked at it for hours until it was right.

if u want to come down and go over my bike and give me pointers then fine. no need to scold a new(ish) rider. dont worry. i wont regale any more tales. i feel like an ass as it is. thank you.

Edited by SmokeyMcNug on Aug 8th 2016 at 08:18 PM
Aug 8th 2016, 08:20 PM   #14
 Litre Zebra's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Se Portland

  A black one
If they come off as a little abrasive, there are things the more ecperienced riders here know and may have learned the hard way.
If your chain breaks while riding it can...
Shoot through the back of your engine making the bike cost prohibitive to repair, stranded and possibly crash you.
If it doesnt hit the case it can either tangle your swing arm and significant damage, potentially locking the back wheel and..... Yep. Crash you.
...ooorr worst case it wraps your leg and possibly cripples you aaaaannnd Thats right, crashes you.

If you arent willing to spend $40 on the right tool or wait until you can, the chances of you compromising on safety gear also is pretty high. If this is the case you really shouldnt be risking a crash due to impropper maintainance.

Nobody can tell you how to ride your ride but none of us want to see another rider injured or dead because they dont take this shit seriously.

That is all.
Aug 8th 2016, 08:21 PM   #15
 Pavement Tested's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Bremerton

  '12 Concours14, '08 GSX1300R, '06 GSX-R 750
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokeyMcNug
Well im glad you can afford.all the latest and greatest. unfortunately not everyone can. which is why i bought a 20 year kat for cheap instead of something newer. without going into personal details, this is what i could afford and i am.already throwing money at it (what little is available) in the shop and parts. i dont live near town and this is my only transportation.

i am also somewhat new to this and am learning as i go. i dont have a lot of time and not knowing any other riders personally doesnt help. i scoured forums and sites and with the tools available i worked at it for hours until it was right.

if u want to come down and go over my bike and give me pointers then fine. no need to scold a new(ish) rider. dont worry. i wont regale any more tales. i feel like an ass as it is. thank you.
Yes, one has to start somewhere. I have done jobs for people that only paid me enough to buy the special tool I needed to do the next job but no matter how little money I had I always did the work correctly with the proper tools, using factory service manuals. It pays dividends in the end. Believe me.

What you have that I did not is this awesome forum that's loaded with folks that have decades of experience and have got the tools and experience for doing literally anything to a bike. Turns out that most of them are more than willing to lend a hand or a tool to help another rider get back on the road. It's all here for the asking.

No need to feel like an ass. Part of it is the shit we give each other when we do less than wise things. We get past that and move on to the doing it right part. Then, after years of riding and making friends and getting more and more experience we sit back with a cold beer and reminisce about the dumb stuff we did when we were young and laugh about it and toss shit at the next generation of folks coming up.
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