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Aug 1st 2017, 05:46 PM   #31
 Lena's Avatar
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  Monsters
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Originally Posted by hincapiej4
It looks like he apexed too soon. He got all wierd when he hit that bump (I don't know why) and forgot to setup for the left hand turn. <snip>
Ah, exactly - I am glad someone else mentioned the bump! My conclusion was he hit the bump (and maybe jewels as the result too?) and that was distracting enough that caused him to target fixate after. Lot's of lessons learned her for newbies and not-so-newbies, really.

This reminds me, I need to dig up the "How we ride in a group" thread.
Aug 1st 2017, 09:05 PM   #32
 
  Mar 2016
  Oregon

If he had been actually accelerating through that turn, that bump never would have bothered him as much. The suspension would have eaten the bump (I'm pretty sure). I went through that turn, I don't remember that bump being there..it was a non issue..
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Aug 1st 2017, 09:33 PM   #33
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2007 Aprilia Tuono Factory, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
A bump is what we're talkin about now? Road conditions are part of the deal. A rider must expect poor road conditions and adjust his/her riding accordingly. A "bump" in the road should not be the issue. How about a nasty pothole in SE PDX? Ever heard of those? How about riding at night in the rain with a lifted 4X4's raised headlights shining in your face? If a rider can't deal with these types of issues, that rider should not be riding. Let alone riding with a group of seasoned riders at a "spirited" pace on roads that said rider has never ridden on. Perhaps this rider was more concerned with youtube subscribers than his, and his fellow riders' safety. Just sayin...
Aug 2nd 2017, 05:06 AM   #34
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  Jun 2017
  Vancouver, WA

  WR250R, SSR125TR
I'm the one who invited him to the ride. I rode with him and his brother one time a few months ago. We had a blast riding around together. I hadn't talked to him much after that group ride. He saw me post a vid where I was riding with my other new buddy, the one on the KTM390 and said he wanted to ride with us. I invited him out to the eastside ride to join the KTM390 guy and I because that was the soonest we would be able to ride together. He said he had been riding for a few years, I assumed he and his bike were ready to go.

I honestly believe he was a bit distracted that day. When we all met up at "the spot" he was excited about his YouTube channel gaining a sudden burst of subscribers. He started out at a pretty quick pace, but was complaining about his tires and kept slowing down. He eventually fell behind in the group out of reach of our Senas. When we made our stop at the park he mentioned his tires felt a little low. A few people took a look at his bike with him. Turned out his rubbers were manufactured in 2004 (long expired) and they were a little light on air (24-26PSI if I remember right). I assumed he stayed in the back because he was nervous riding around on sketchy tires. Reviewing the footage is a little hard because he has the side mounted camera. It looks like he got spooked by the van, you can see him straighten up a bit, but he never leaned the bike back over to complete the turn. He probably had those sketchy tires holding him back. It's easy to sit and armchair analyze the footage and point out mistakes. Riders with different skill levels and experience see all the different mistakes that were made, and places where he could have improved on those corners.

As for the sweep response time. Props to DKBOM! He was laying in the dirt for a whopping 40 seconds until DKBOM's helmet turtled into frame. I don't think I could stop my bike and sprint that fast. We were all litterally right around the corner waiting patiently for everyone to arrive when someone showed up and waved us down and went back. It always feels like an eternity when we're waiting at the stop after a long pass of bitchin' twisties.

He was almost fully geared. The chink in his armor was the lack of upper body protection. He had a helmet, riding pants, brand new riding boots, sturdy gloves, and a t-shirt + hoodie. His gloves were chaffed, one of his shiny new boots was obliterated, and he left some skin/blood on the arm of his hoodie. He took very little damage.

I heard they were bringing a quad to pull the bike out. As soon as I heard that, I went looking around for an alternate way out. I found an alternate way out just as the "quad" showed up complete with a rollbar, front bucket & straps. We pulled the bike out, and he rolled it down the road to the nearest driveway. I offered to jet home and grab my motovan and give him a lift. He didn't think the bike looked like it was in that bad of shape. There were no leaks, looked mostly straight. It fired right up and began chucking smoke, but it was upside down on the hill for a while. The smoke cleared after 5-10mins and he said he was ready to take off. We connected our Senas together again, and followed him all the way home.

All in all I still had a fun time that day. Never a dull moment on the east side rides. I've learned a TON riding with you guys. I really appreciate all of the tips and feedback everyone gives! I'll try to do a better job at vetting my friends skill/gear/bike before inviting them out for the eastside rides.
Aug 2nd 2017, 10:33 AM   #35
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  Jan 2016
  Milwaukie

  BMW S1000XR & KTM 1190 R
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Originally Posted by kcVIP
I'm the one who invited him to the ride. I rode with him and his brother one time a few months ago. We had a blast riding around together. I hadn't talked to him much after that group ride. He saw me post a vid where I was riding with my other new buddy, the one on the KTM390 and said he wanted to ride with us. I invited him out to the eastside ride to join the KTM390 guy and I because that was the soonest we would be able to ride together. He said he had been riding for a few years, I assumed he and his bike were ready to go.

I honestly believe he was a bit distracted that day. When we all met up at "the spot" he was excited about his YouTube channel gaining a sudden burst of subscribers. He started out at a pretty quick pace, but was complaining about his tires and kept slowing down. He eventually fell behind in the group out of reach of our Senas. When we made our stop at the park he mentioned his tires felt a little low. A few people took a look at his bike with him. Turned out his rubbers were manufactured in 2004 (long expired) and they were a little light on air (24-26PSI if I remember right). I assumed he stayed in the back because he was nervous riding around on sketchy tires. Reviewing the footage is a little hard because he has the side mounted camera. It looks like he got spooked by the van, you can see him straighten up a bit, but he never leaned the bike back over to complete the turn. He probably had those sketchy tires holding him back. It's easy to sit and armchair analyze the footage and point out mistakes. Riders with different skill levels and experience see all the different mistakes that were made, and places where he could have improved on those corners.

As for the sweep response time. Props to DKBOM! He was laying in the dirt for a whopping 40 seconds until DKBOM's helmet turtled into frame. I don't think I could stop my bike and sprint that fast. We were all litterally right around the corner waiting patiently for everyone to arrive when someone showed up and waved us down and went back. It always feels like an eternity when we're waiting at the stop after a long pass of bitchin' twisties.

He was almost fully geared. The chink in his armor was the lack of upper body protection. He had a helmet, riding pants, brand new riding boots, sturdy gloves, and a t-shirt + hoodie. His gloves were chaffed, one of his shiny new boots was obliterated, and he left some skin/blood on the arm of his hoodie. He took very little damage.

I heard they were bringing a quad to pull the bike out. As soon as I heard that, I went looking around for an alternate way out. I found an alternate way out just as the "quad" showed up complete with a rollbar, front bucket & straps. We pulled the bike out, and he rolled it down the road to the nearest driveway. I offered to jet home and grab my motovan and give him a lift. He didn't think the bike looked like it was in that bad of shape. There were no leaks, looked mostly straight. It fired right up and began chucking smoke, but it was upside down on the hill for a while. The smoke cleared after 5-10mins and he said he was ready to take off. We connected our Senas together again, and followed him all the way home.

All in all I still had a fun time that day. Never a dull moment on the east side rides. I've learned a TON riding with you guys. I really appreciate all of the tips and feedback everyone gives! I'll try to do a better job at vetting my friends skill/gear/bike before inviting them out for the eastside rides.
Kc, not your fault. We have had lots of "new riders" on this ride crash and lots of experienced riders who have crash on my rides. Everybody, including me, make mistakes and most learn from those mistakes and go on to be better riders.
I'm hoping your friend also learned a lesson and makes an effort to improve his riding skills and join us again once he get more comfortable with this type of riding.
Hope to see you next time.


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Aug 2nd 2017, 03:06 PM   #36
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  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

  SV650S Silver, HD Sportster
Ditto that!! There is nothing you can do to anticipate how somebody else is going to ride...on any given ride...on any given day...on any given machine...

I've invited people to that ride...who I have never ridden with before and we've had no issues...I really wouldn't worry about it...nor take it personally or anything like that...

Sometimes stuff just happens!
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Aug 2nd 2017, 10:15 PM   #37
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2007 Aprilia Tuono Factory, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
Hey y'all...i dint mean to stir up a bunch of negativity.. I am just passionate about and take very seriously my 2 wheel excursions/experiences/lifestyle. I know I can't project my passion for bikes to the next guy, and sure, they're cool and all (that's not what got me into bikes, coming from less than upscale upbringing, it was not a luxury my parents could afford), but people just doin it cuz it's cool, not wearing the proper gear, haven't practiced, haven't ridden in a group setting (especially with fast, skilled riders such as on Lee's rides), don't know how to take care of their machine (old, underinflated tires are a recipe for disaster, he's lucky to walk away with bruises), just the "squids" of the world rub me the wrong way. I think it's a generational thing, to be honest. And I'm not tryin to generalize or marginalize young'ens at all...younger guys see the older guys fly around, they see the Rossi's of the world and it looks EASY...far from the truth. All (or a good percentage of), us "older" riders have learned those very lessons the hard way, and tend to mind our own business (speaking for myself and a few others here), when we see a newb make mistakes (and we predict outcomes). To me, it's a communication thing, I know Lee takes the time to introduce himself to new riders that join his rides, but he is not responsible for everyone's overall decision making responsibilities. But it would also be beneficial if these newer riders would reciprocate Lee's approach here; feel free to ask an "older" rider if he can tag along, follow his line, maybe get some pre-ride advice, check your tire pressure, gear checklist, etc etc. It's not always up to the veteran riders to pass on their knowledge and experiences to the younger riders, they are not always receptive to advice, if you know what I mean.

I'm hoping the younger, more inexperienced riders, if they happen to read this, can muster up the courage to seek out other riders that look like they know what they're doing, introduce yourself, ask questions, be approachable. Us older riders love that shit. It's a sign of respect and that goes a long way to ensuring that the younger riders become older riders. Sorry for the long post...just my 2 cents. Carry on..
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Aug 3rd 2017, 05:37 AM   #38
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  Jul 2016
  Oregon

  929 streetfighter - husky 701 sumo - XR650R
I'm just glad he's ok, bike was ride-able, and I had nothing to do with any debauchery this time.
Third crash in seven days I witnessed - all three had the same first name. Weird.
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