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Jul 30th 2017, 02:15 PM   #16
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  Jan 2016
  Milwaukie

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That's a first. I hope nobody got hurt?
Just a few bruises.

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Jul 30th 2017, 02:16 PM   #17
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  Apr 2016
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Is it OK to post YouTube links in the forums?
Yep

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Jul 31st 2017, 02:02 AM   #18
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  Jun 2017
  Vancouver, WA

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Mr.TeaTime was quick on his edits.

Here's how it happened;


And here's how we got the bike out;
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Jul 31st 2017, 07:40 PM   #19
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  Jan 2016
  Vancouver WA

  2010 Ducati Monster 696
That's gotta be a first even for Lee
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Jul 31st 2017, 09:08 PM   #20
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
F'n bbq sauce.
Jul 31st 2017, 09:32 PM   #21
 
  Mar 2016
  Oregon

Quite possibly the earliest apex I've ever seen.
Jul 31st 2017, 11:07 PM   #22
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  Portland

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Just a few bruises???
Well, I gotta say vlogging would not be on my mind but maybe proceeds from YouTube will pay for the plastics ...
Aug 1st 2017, 04:22 AM   #23
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2007 Aprilia Tuono Factory, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
So maybe I missed something, I tried to watch the whole thing, but I never got an explanation as to what exactly caused the get-off. Is there a lesson to be learned here? Was there a tarmac issue? Was it a tire related issue? There seemed to be decent visibility, decent road conditions, no animals, and very little traffic.

At least said rider was not riding at a blistering pace, but there seemed to be some target fixating happening just before get-off. And help took a few mins to arrive, I know the Lee rides are "spirited" and am wondering if there was a sweeper. I'm not trying to insinuate, i'm just curious as to what exactly caused the off and if there is a teachable moment here...any additional info is appreciated and I am certainly happy that the rider suffered only a little road rash. Not to beat a dead horse here, but this is exactly why riders should be using more protective apparel. Hoodies, jeans and cloth gloves (he's super lucky in this regard), just don't provide the necessary protection in case of a get off. The boots look like they did their job (thankfully), so there's a prime example of good gear doing it's job. Hopefully there were no "next day", hidden injuries that reared their ugly head(s) once the adrenaline wore off...
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Aug 1st 2017, 10:04 AM   #24
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
I don't want to start a shitstorm (as these things often do), and I apologize in advance if I am all wrong about this, but my perception from watching the video is that this rider was way over his head. If it were an experienced rider, I would say he is drunk or on some sort of disorienting drugs. But, as this does not seem to be the case, then I would say the rider has very few miles of road experience and was over his head from the start.

He should not have been on that ride, which is well led, but not for newbies, from my experience.

This rider needs to be going out with a more experienced friend on easier roads and at legal speeds until he is used to not clenching when he approaches a series of curves. He doesn’t seem comfortable with even laying the bike over and has no sense of countersteering while bouncing from one target fixation to another, like a pinball hitting bumpers.

He said he knew it. Of course he did. He knew he was on borrowed time.
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Aug 1st 2017, 10:28 AM   #25
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  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

  SV650S Silver, HD Sportster
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I don't want to start a shitstorm (as these things often do), and I apologize in advance if I am all wrong about this, but my perception from watching the video is that this rider was way over his head. If it were an experienced rider, I would say he is drunk or on some sort of disorienting drugs. But, as this does not seem to be the case, then I would say the rider has very few miles of road experience and was over his head from the start.

He should not have been on that ride, which is well led, but not for newbies, from my experience.

This rider needs to be going out with a more experienced friend on easier roads and at legal speeds until he is used to not clenching when he approaches a series of curves. He doesn’t seem comfortable with even laying the bike over and has no sense of countersteering while bouncing from one target fixation to another, like a pinball hitting bumpers.

He said he knew it. Of course he did. He knew he was on borrowed time.
I don't think you'll start much of a shitstorm...that's pretty much it...in a nutshell...
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Aug 1st 2017, 10:35 AM   #26
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  May 2016
  Beaverton

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Rider error was the cause. as stated by Transported he was over his head. He was given a few warnings by several riders to ride at his own pace and he had slowed considerably. I was behind him as the sweep and watched him go off. You see me check in on him just after the wreck then start to make sure the corner was marked and the bike switched off. we were a ways behind the group and you can hear them start to come back after just a few moments.
Hopefully a teachable moment for the rider.
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Aug 1st 2017, 10:58 AM   #27
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  Jan 2016
  Milwaukie

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Originally Posted by Transported
I don't want to start a shitstorm (as these things often do), and I apologize in advance if I am all wrong about this, but my perception from watching the video is that this rider was way over his head. If it were an experienced rider, I would say he is drunk or on some sort of disorienting drugs. But, as this does not seem to be the case, then I would say the rider has very few miles of road experience and was over his head from the start.

He should not have been on that ride, which is well led, but not for newbies, from my experience.

This rider needs to be going out with a more experienced friend on easier roads and at legal speeds until he is used to not clenching when he approaches a series of curves. He doesn’t seem comfortable with even laying the bike over and has no sense of countersteering while bouncing from one target fixation to another, like a pinball hitting bumpers.

He said he knew it. Of course he did. He knew he was on borrowed time.
Unfortunately your right, he was over his head and should not have been on the ride.
I always talk to new riders, when they show up and ask about experience and to let them know the kind of roads we will be riding on and if they are comfortable with that. I also ask them to ride at a pace they like, not at the groups pace. In most cases riders do that. After looking at the video and talking to several people after the ride, this rider needs to get more experience before he joins this type of ride again.
No he was not riding fast but the roads and the curves challenged his abilities. He just needs more seat time and someone to give him some help on riding techniques.

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Aug 1st 2017, 02:23 PM   #28
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  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

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YOU are the only person responsible for your safety

We had a couple of incidents over the last couple of weeks in the Portland area where folks have blown a corner...some folks got really lucky...some folks not so lucky... it's never going to be a good scenario when there is somebody in the oncoming lane...

A few of the things that a group ride is not...

1) It is not a race or a speed contest to see who comes in first... it's not a testosterone test...or a place to "prove your skills" or any of that...

2) It is not a safety net where everyone can keep an eye on you and know exactly what you're doing and understand your skill level & exactly what's going on inside your head...

3) It is not a place to come and see whether or not you're a "good rider"...

For myself and many others we know each other pretty well we've been riding together for a while and we can pretty much anticipate what those folks are going to do...but... if you're out there for the first or second time...no one really knows your story...or your skill level or anything...and if you're running unsafely...you're putting the entire group at risk..to some degree.

Even the sweep is at significant risk if you blow corner & you're laying there in the middle of the road & he comes around a blind bend...and hits you...

So it is always best to ride within your own personal limits...whatever they may be...and if you feel the pace is too fast and it's not fun for you because you're riding all by yourself... then....at some point you need to find the ride leader & say "hey man I'm gonna check out...I'm gonna go practice or whatever"...but...don't push yourself to the point where something bad happens...
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Edited by ShootPDX on Aug 1st 2017 at 02:36 PM
Aug 1st 2017, 02:33 PM   #29
 
  Mar 2016
  Oregon

It looks like he apexed too soon. He got all wierd when he hit that bump (I don't know why) and forgot to setup for the left hand turn. Then he turned in to early which made him apex too early, taking his line clear off the road. His last mistake was he either wasn't paying attention or was too inexperienced to notice his line was gonna take him off the road (Though it would have been an easy fix..). My two cents.

I also wanted to add, he WAS asked if he wanted to ride behind one of us to follow the lines of someone else to make it easier for him. He agreed, but didn't stay behind one of the other riders. There is a bit to this story, but good thing it wasn't worse.

Edited by hincapiej4 on Aug 1st 2017 at 02:45 PM
Aug 1st 2017, 04:15 PM   #30
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
Looks like some mentoring is needed. Clay?

Another thing occurred to me: Not looking far enough down the road. He appeared to be reacting and freaking himself out rather than looking down the road to read what was coming up.

Wasn't it Keith Code who said you can slow the road down (and get rid of the white-knuckle effect) by picking your head up and looking ahead?
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