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May 27th 2021, 12:31 PM   #1
 
  Jan 2016
  Oregon

  2018 Kaw Ninja H2 SX SE
Dumb Bitch Governor!

Vetoed Oregon Lane Filtering Bill!!

She needs some edumacating. NOW!

Unbelievable.
May 27th 2021, 12:53 PM   #2
 Flyboymedic's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Hazel Dell, Wa

  Multistrada Pikes Peak, VFR800, VStrom 650, TE 610
It's a bummer, but totally believable, and totally expected.
May 27th 2021, 02:01 PM   #3
 307T's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
It is unfortunate that she vetoed the bill in spite of it passing both House and Senate with a majority in each case. Rather than name calling (which seems to be the norm in any discussion these days) we might want to take a look at what strategies could boost the bill over the top next time. As written SB 574 was pretty restrictive so I am not sure about what it was that was so objectionable. Both houses passed the bill; the Speaker of the House voting in favor but the Senate President abstaining.

During arguments it was highlighted that the Oregon version of "filtering" was more restrictive than the law in California. From what I gleaned, the major argument against it came from the Transportation Safety Committee which posited that the rules would also be practiced on surface streets which went beyond the proposed legislation. The head of that committee is not only a lawyer, but he is a lifelong paramedic.

One item that works both for and against us are the very same restrictions mentioned above. While it may seem to those typically opposed to the bill as "necessary" to prevent unwanted violations such as splitting or filtering on city streets, we all know that there will be plenty of riders that will do that very thing. There are also riders who post their street rides or group rides on forums like this that demonstrate the exact performance that reinforces the prejudice that we are all lawless hooligans.

Going forward it would benefit those pushing for the change to have more outspoken support from both the emergency services and the law enforcement communities, not just those who will say "Yeah" but some who will take a very public stand. I know, and perhaps you do also, cops and docs and EMTs that ride. I suspect that we had data to support our arguments from the states (CA, UT, MT) that already allow filtering. The next time the bill comes up there will be more info from them to share.

Lastly, I would encourage those of you that post videos to skip those shows of your high speed passing, knee dragging and wheelie skills on our back roads and highways.

We almost made it this time.

Edited by 307T on May 27th 2021 at 04:23 PM
May 28th 2021, 09:11 AM   #4
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  Apr 2021
  Portland (Rocky Butte)

  2009 CBR1000RR
Well put! Thank you @307T.
May 28th 2021, 12:11 PM   #5
 
  Jan 2016
  Oregon

  2018 Kaw Ninja H2 SX SE
Yeah, whatever.

No Law is perfect. Any law can be disobeyed.

Motorcycles are inherently more dangerous than cars. Please stop protecting us from ourselves.

Let's get this law on the Books, and then modify it as necessary.

They don't seem to have a problem in Calif. with 300X more Traffic. Can't imagine why it would be worse here. With a MUCH shorter riding season.

We already have the silly Gas pumping law, and the OLCC. We don't need a 'Nanny' Governor. I say we go down and grab her, strap on to the back of somebody's bike and give her a lesson in what it's like to Ride in Oregon. I doubt if she knows ANYTHING at all about motorcycles.
May 28th 2021, 03:41 PM   #6
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2009 Aprilia RSVR, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
307T is correct in all said above, IMHO. This state is in a state of denial. So many issues, so little time and leadership. No forward thinking, let alone possible solutions for safety, congestion, etc. It is what it is. It's so much easier to just stick one's head in the sand and maintain the status quo. It's all about control. The number of hooligan's is infinitesimal compared to the number of cell phone addicted cagers, but nothing is being done about that. I don't see too many riders on their phones. I see both hands on the bars, attentive riders doing their thing.

Much to the dismay of the hard working, dedicated folks who donate their time and energy to changing the culture of ignorance and denial, I, for one, will continue to "filter" when I see fit. I commute I-5 daily, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna sit in that southbound from Tualatin bumper to bumper traffic and not filter. I don't care if some LEO is reading this and thinks he's gonna "get" me. Good luck. I'm smarter than you. And if I get popped, well, then I'll accept the consequences.

It's unfortunate that I have this attitude, but I'm through apologizing for it. I know what I'm doing much more so than some cager looking at their phone while sitting in traffic. Just how it is...

Maybe it'll take a Republican governor to sign that bill....
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Jun 3rd 2021, 10:08 AM   #7
DGA
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  Jan 2016
  PDX

  An Ape and a Husky
You want to educate someone on something that they practically don't know nearly anything about, calling them a dumb bitch is probably not the way to start out. Worse of all it erodes hard work others have done to champion this bill to the point that it got. I'm also fairly certain that it'll be introduced again with even more drive behind it.

Something to note, if the legislature wants to take the bill up again and passes with a 2/3 majority, it's veto proof.
Jun 4th 2021, 05:37 PM   #8
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  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

The thing to do is get a response as to WHY she vetoed it. Specifically. Then go from there. I am sure there are some folks working on that right now.
Jun 7th 2021, 05:42 AM   #9
 WarpShatner7's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  NW Oregon

So from Reddit this morning, here's kind of the platonic ideal of how not to filter, and why not:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCar...diots_in_cars/
Jun 7th 2021, 08:13 AM   #10
 
  Apr 2017
  Seattle

  DL650A
I'm not sure how Oregon law works, but in most places a two-thirds majority of the legislature can override a governor's veto. Get that two-thirds majority for the first vote and very few governors will bother vetoing the bill unless they are making a statement.

And Oregon is going about it the traditional way, by trying to change the laws directly. California went about it a different way. As I understand it, the California Highway Patrol made a policy of not enforcing laws against lane sharing when it came to sensible filtering practices. They did this for several years, which resulted in a backhanded way of setting up a study of whether or not lane filtering was better than not (safer, more efficient, etc.). Eventually, lane filtering was permitted by law.

I'm not sure the Oregon State Police would go the route of the CHP. Same for the Washington State Patrol. The WSP has shown no willingness to consider allowing lane filtering, and Oregon just seems (to me) hostile to all motorized traffic. But keep up the pressure and be nice about it. We might get what we want.
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Jun 7th 2021, 01:58 PM   #11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by juanitotheclumsy
I'm not sure how Oregon law works, but in most places a two-thirds majority of the legislature can override a governor's veto. Get that two-thirds majority for the first vote and very few governors will bother vetoing the bill unless they are making a statement.

And Oregon is going about it the traditional way, by trying to change the laws directly. California went about it a different way. As I understand it, the California Highway Patrol made a policy of not enforcing laws against lane sharing when it came to sensible filtering practices. They did this for several years, which resulted in a backhanded way of setting up a study of whether or not lane filtering was better than not (safer, more efficient, etc.). Eventually, lane filtering was permitted by law.

I'm not sure the Oregon State Police would go the route of the CHP. Same for the Washington State Patrol. The WSP has shown no willingness to consider allowing lane filtering, and Oregon just seems (to me) hostile to all motorized traffic. But keep up the pressure and be nice about it. We might get what we want.
From my understanding, California law did not have a requirement written in stipulating one car per lane, so lane sharing was never considered illegal. If we could get rid of that little thing in Oregon law, we'd be set.
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Jun 8th 2021, 07:00 AM   #12
 
  Apr 2017
  Seattle

  DL650A
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Originally Posted by DGA
From my understanding, California law did not have a requirement written in stipulating one car per lane, so lane sharing was never considered illegal. If we could get rid of that little thing in Oregon law, we'd be set.
You are probably correct. As I recall now, the legality/illegality of the practice was ambiguous, so the CHP could ticket or not ticket based on safety. In Washington, it's specifically prohibited (RCW 46.61.608), although riding side-by-side in one lane is permitted for two motorcycles.
Jun 8th 2021, 08:24 AM   #13
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  Jan 2016
  NW Oregon

Quote:
Originally Posted by juanitotheclumsy
although riding side-by-side in one lane is permitted for two motorcycles.
I've never understood this. How do you coordinate your response to unexpected events like the sudden appearance of a road hazard, rails crossing on the diagonal, or a car suddenly protruding into your lane? Do they have a rule "in case of anything weird, bike on the right brakes, bike on the left swerves?" (I'm kidding, that wouldn't work.) Do they have a psychic link so they can do synchronized swerving? Unless you're in a parade it's just dumb.
Jun 8th 2021, 08:29 AM   #14
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  Jan 2016
  Custer WA

  Aprilia Tuono 1100 and Moto Guzzi V7 III Milano
Jun 8th 2021, 08:35 AM   #15
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  Jan 2016
  NW Oregon

That's what I was thinking of too. Watching CHiPs with grown-up eyes, first thing you notice is that in the staged freeway scenes the cars are only going about 10mph. It's not so blindingly obvious when shot head-on the way they did, but once you see it ("man those dashed lane stripes are just crawling along") you can't not see it.
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