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Jul 22nd 2016, 08:47 AM   #1
 
  Jan 2016
  Portland

Another Tough Start to the Year

Sobering statistics thus far for Oregon motorcycle fatalities.

First half of 2016 points to another deadly year for motorcyclists | OregonLive.com

At least the article didn't go down the "all riders are idiots" route which media seems to love to do.
Jul 22nd 2016, 09:45 AM   #2
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  Jan 2016
  PDX

  '14 St3R, '05 DR650
But I am an idiot, and I would appreciate being recognized as such.
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Jul 22nd 2016, 10:42 AM   #3
 
  Jan 2016
  Newcastle, WA

  1995 Suzuki Katana
Interesting that they note the prevalence of safety equipment in newer cars while totally ignoring the added distractions that drivers have adopted during the same time frame. Cell phone calls, texting, GPS units....

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Jul 22nd 2016, 10:55 AM   #4
 
  Jan 2016
  Portland

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Interesting that they note the prevalence of safety equipment in newer cars while totally ignoring the added distractions that drivers have adopted during the same time frame. Cell phone calls, texting, GPS units....

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Good point. Pokeman Go seems to be app of the year for Darwin awards. Unfortunately it may be a Darwin plus one (or more) for peds, bicyclists and cyclists.
Jul 22nd 2016, 12:26 PM   #5
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  Jan 2016
  Richland

  Yamaha FZ1, KTM Super Duke GT, Yamaha FJR, Yamaha XS650
"Motorcycles, on the other hand, leave little room for technological improvement."

Obviously he doesn't know anything about modern motorcycles.
Jul 22nd 2016, 01:48 PM   #6
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  Jan 2016
  PDX

  '14 St3R, '05 DR650
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Originally Posted by Cougar
"Motorcycles, on the other hand, leave little room for technological improvement."

Obviously he doesn't know anything about modern motorcycles.
Compare motorcycle safety technology improvements to that of cars. We've received traction control and ABS. Cars now have collision detection and avoidance, cameras that detect nearby objects and alert you to their presence, and even mostly-autonomous cars.

Relatively, cars have seen massive improvements while motorcycles have seen next to none.
Jul 22nd 2016, 02:17 PM   #7
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  Jan 2016
  Forest Grove

  '07 GSXR-600, '05 CR85r
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Originally Posted by wooden
Compare motorcycle safety technology improvements to that of cars. We've received traction control and ABS. Cars now have collision detection and avoidance, cameras that detect nearby objects and alert you to their presence, and even mostly-autonomous cars.

Relatively, cars have seen massive improvements while motorcycles have seen next to none.
More wires in a bike is usually a bad thing...more reason for something to fail.

I like how the article points out the accidents that don't get reported because they aren't fatalities. Sounds like the guy at least tried to hit all the bases with his research!
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Edited by ashfoot on Jul 22nd 2016 at 02:23 PM
Jul 22nd 2016, 09:07 PM   #8
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
This news article is not necessarily a bad thing because it might, in fact, get motorists to think about riders. Maybe that is a bit of a stretch but you take what you can get.

Another thing to think about is that there is a message here for riders too. "Invincibility runs strong in you Padawan." There was a group of riders that belonged to the previous iteration of this forum who did a study on accidents in 2007. Oregon and Washington sub-forums were included and the data came from a combination of crashes reported by media as well as admissions by forum members. Additionally, WDOT and ODOT data were included as addendums.

With the disclaimer that the info was not meant to be all inclusive, the glimpse of data provided by the PNW Riders themselves pretty much reflects official reports of root cause then and now. Of no particular surprise is that the majority of crashes were the fault of the rider. Failure to negotiate the turn was by far the leading cause. Of just over 160 incidents reported by forum riders, only about a quarter of them involved automobiles.

It behooves us to be the best prepared riders we can be. Our survival depends on riders and bikes being in good shape; mechanically and mentally, good gear, and perhaps most of all, riding within your limits.
Jul 24th 2016, 06:05 PM   #9
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  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

  SV650S Silver - HD 1250 Hammer Sportster w/Screaming Eagle stuff - GSXR-750 K12
The 55+ year-olds are dying. So, to be blunt...the Harley-Davidson customer demographic is mostly killing themselves. It's funny because I was at a local HD dealer and the salesman wasn't selling ride-ability, performance, maneuverability, etc...you know...things that might actually save your life...he just kept saying "Young people are buying these for because of comfort"...

Does a 55-year-old man belong on an 800-pound motorcycle after a 20-30 year gap in riding time/experience? Is this a recipe for potential disaster?

My other question is...even if I have (or can gain) the necessary skills to handle some behemoth on wheels...what is the total sum of the actual experience that can be attained on a vehicle with somewhat limited capabilities?

Polaris MC sales are up 18% while HD is down .5%...but they are selling to the exact same target market...older and more affluent riders picking it up again after a long respite.

I'm not saying grandpa should jump right on an R1 or S1000R...BUT...with ABS, a slipper clutch and god-knows-how-many traction control options...he just might be less likely to kill himself on either of those than a Road King or a Cross Country...BUT...that's not to say those two are dangerous for every rider...

I'm sure this post is going to be flame-bait...my wife desperately wants a Harley...I mean really badly....I'll soon be 54...and I'm on an SV650...a very organic box with ZERO life-saving features...so...in that sense...I'm already a hypocrite...but...I am interested why we don't often discuss the TYPE of motorcycles people are dying on...
notwithstanding the photo of Mr. Sellars downed GSXR-750 which accompanies the referenced article...

Edited by ShootPDX on Jul 25th 2016 at 10:42 AM
Jul 24th 2016, 06:49 PM   #10
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
Not meant to be flaming, but did want to be data focused. After the first crash summary data from 2007, the group that was doing the study wanted to parse the data down to just the local area. This is relevant because the OP was quoting the article in the Oregonian.

So, in 2009, another review was taken using rider input from the Portland Region of PNW Riders and included Vancouver and Salem. While it again was probably not ALL inclusive, it was estimated that it was 85-90% complete for the crashes as of November of that year. Again let me state that the incident data came primarily from the riders themselves or someone with the details to share.

A total of 73 crashes were reviewed. Track day, off road, and parking lot spills were not included.

Let's talk first about the riders themselves. In no great surprise, the greatest number of crashes (nearly 50%) occurred with riders with less than three years experience. One quarter of those novices had multiple incidents. However, the second highest group was riders with over five years experience. 70% of the riders were ATG. Good on them.

As to cause, the data was parsed into categories based on subjective judgement. The reason for that was that it would have been unwieldly to have too many discrete causes. On the other hand it would have been of little use a single category like "rider error." As a compromise, 8 distinct categories were used:

continued in a second post...
Jul 24th 2016, 07:10 PM   #11
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
Failure to negotiate: Bike goes out of the lane of travel for whatever reason; excessive speed, cold tires, tire wear, improper braking, etc. Mostly occurred in curves but could be lane or signal discipline by the bike. [52%]

Road condition: Gravel, frost heaves, animal strikes, wet/snow on the road, etc. [22%]

Side hit - A: Basically a failure to yield by an automobile. Coming out of a driveway, lane change, cross street or head-on. [10%]

Unknown: The rider or reporter had no idea what caused the crash [5%]

Rear hit - M: Motorcycle runs into the back of another vehicle [5%]

Rear hit - A: Automobile runs into the back of a motorcycle [3%]

Stunt: Rider crashes while clearly engaging in code violations such as wheelies, very high speed, DUII, etc. [3%]

Illegal turns - A: Driver of vehicle strikes motorcycle due to left or right hook, u-turns, etc. [ 0%]

Over 80% of the incidents reported were the fault, in one way or another, of the rider

Nearly half of all crashes reported in this summary were a result of the rider being unable to stay upright in their own lane. The second highest category was “Road condition.” Certainly more than a few of the incidents included in this group could have just as easily been put into the “Fail to negotiate” category. Approximately 12% of the reported incidents were clearly the fault of another motorist

Two datapoints that fell into the "Duh" category were that most of the accidents occurred in the summer months. Given that the majority of riders are more likely to ride in June than December, that is not too surprising. Second, most of the bikes involved were sportbikes. Also not too surprising considering that the data gathered was from riders in the forum and the greatest majority of them ride that type of bike (or they did in 2009 anyway).

Looking at this group and during this period, there were no fatal injuries. About 10% had serious injuries (broken bones, hospital visits), and another 30% had minor injuries (gravel rash, bruises, face palms ). The remainder had no injuries.

There was no data gathered on age of riders.

In summary I would repeat what my original post said, the article in the OregonLive website is a good thing if it wakes up automobile drivers, however briefly, to the presence of motorcycles. It should also be a reminder to those of us who ride that many of the mistakes are the fault of the rider.

OK, I'm done.
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Edited by 307T on Jul 24th 2016 at 07:13 PM
Jul 25th 2016, 11:04 AM   #12
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  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

  SV650S Silver - HD 1250 Hammer Sportster w/Screaming Eagle stuff - GSXR-750 K12
Failure to negotiate is pretty catch-all...

Failure to negotiate target fixation
Failure to negotiate untrained motorcyclist (failed to successfully time/intitate countersteer, etc.)
Failure to negotiate excessive speed (or inappropriate speed for the prevailing conditions)
Failure to negotiate rider fatigue
Failure to negotiate rider panic
Failure to negotiate improper braking
Failure to negotiate new/borrowed/unfamiliar machine
Failure to negotiate excess weight/baggage/passenger
Failure to negotiate mechanical/reason unknown
Failure to negotiate medical/mental state

Those are my top 10 or so best guesses....
Jul 25th 2016, 02:00 PM   #13
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  Feb 2016
  Poulsbo, WA

  Aprilia RSV Mille, CB77 (AMA Nat'l landspeed record holder), CB750K, CB750F
If it's primarily old guys (me being one of them) increasing the stats I'd throw in failure to negotiate remembering that your reaction time is slower than when you rode 30 years ago. My hunch is some older riders just aren't getting out and riding often enough to stay sharp. That's why I try to commute on the bike as often as is feasible.

Today the young guy who manages the brewery next door and rides a Ninja 250 ATGATT was visited by a middle aged guy selling a Shiver, for a test drive. When I saw him the middle aged guy was riding the Ape around no helmet, no gloves, t shirt and jeans. So maybe we are in fact evolving.
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Edited by DocB on Jul 25th 2016 at 06:11 PM
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