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Aug 27th 2016, 08:26 AM   #31
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

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...Pretty sure most of you would get a ticket from me��
Maybe. Maybe not. See "Rules for Running". You'd have to catch me first.
Aug 27th 2016, 08:36 AM   #32
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

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I've had more than a few of his compatriots in my classes at Keyport, both the novice and advanced classes. The bike arrives in a truck because the Navy will not let them ride until they pass the class.

Sometimes they learn some finesse and pass, and sometimes the bike goes home in the truck.
MSF "parking lot" courses do not result in reduced accident rates among graduates.

Always and forever, the numero uno thing that determines accident potential is rider juudgement and making decisions (like passing on a double yellow, which I of course have never done) from the "Hell Yeah!" portion of the brain. Of course, driver inattention/attitude is right up there on the list of risky shit. uFcking cellphones!!!!!

To my mind the MSF course have always had a sort of religious aspect to them. Advocates are like acolytes. Sort of like the ATGATT Bro's. (watch for any responses to this comment, see how they run).

Navy still requires that stuff for sailors?

Link reference (for example) -

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010...udy-says/?_r=0

THIS from the article is worth noting - "motorcycles with antilock brakes are 37 percent less likely to be involved in fatal crashes" Now, maybe it is not a causal link. Maybe more mature riders are the ones buying new, expensive bikes with ABS etc. And maybe those riders are less squidly. Or maybe it really does help. Or maybe both.

This is perhaps a real and valid reason for buying an updated bike. Myself, I have never ridden a bike with ABS, but I damn sure am considering it. PLUS - what a GREAT excuse to buy a new bike (and I cannot think of many other good ones, there being so many excellent used bikes on CL).
Personally, I like these:

Edited by Sentinel on Aug 27th 2016 at 08:47 AM
Aug 27th 2016, 11:34 AM   #33
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  Jan 2016
  Northeast Olalla

  07 Guzzi
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentinel
MSF "parking lot" courses do not result in reduced accident rates among graduates.

Always and forever, the numero uno thing that determines accident potential is rider juudgement and making decisions (like passing on a double yellow, which I of course have never done) from the "Hell Yeah!" portion of the brain. Of course, driver inattention/attitude is right up there on the list of risky shit. uFcking cellphones!!!!!
In and of themselves the M$F courses do not result in reduced rates past about 6 months, but they are not totally ineffectual. They do give the NOVICE rider exposure to the basic tools of the trade at a speed low enough so that they can practice and really learn. It is incumbent on the good rider coaches to try and connect with the students in such a way that they can actually understand the value in (1) making good decisions, and (2) following up on the initial training with more advanced work, such as the Advanced Rider Course or the Lee Parks Total Control class. Both are conducted in the parking lot, but both relate to real world operations, again the idea being learn and perfect the skills at a non-intimidating speed.

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To my mind the MSF course have always had a sort of religious aspect to them. Advocates are like acolytes. Sort of like the ATGATT Bro's. (watch for any responses to this comment, see how they run).
I'm a certified (some people say certifiable) Rider Coach, but by no means an acolyte. I just understand the value of getting riders to periodically rewrap their heads around working on their skills.

As for your ATGATT trolling, I should infract you, but, I'm too much of a nice guy.

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Navy still requires that stuff for sailors?
Yep, but at least even NAVSAFCEN has figured out that follow on training is needed to reinforce the basic training and that continuing training is beneficial.
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Originally Posted by Sentinel
Link reference (for example) -

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010...udy-says/?_r=0

THIS from the article is worth noting - "motorcycles with antilock brakes are 37 percent less likely to be involved in fatal crashes" Now, maybe it is not a causal link. Maybe more mature riders are the ones buying new, expensive bikes with ABS etc. And maybe those riders are less squidly. Or maybe it really does help. Or maybe both.

This is perhaps a real and valid reason for buying an updated bike. Myself, I have never ridden a bike with ABS, but I damn sure am considering it. PLUS - what a GREAT excuse to buy a new bike (and I cannot think of many other good ones, there being so many excellent used bikes on CL).
Personally, I like these:
While I agree that ABS is a valuable tool, IMHO it is more of a safety interlock than a "go to" operating procedure. One of the things we try to emphasize in our teaching is that the object is to not depend on the ABS, but to learn proper (and I'm going to irritate some folks here) threshold braking with both brakes, understanding that ABS is there for the "oh crap" moments when you panic and forget everything you know.
Feb 1st 2017, 02:51 PM   #34
 
  Jan 2017
  Covington WA

  2013 zx636
I hope the officer heals up. He made a stupid decision and the best we can do is hope he learns from it.
Feb 1st 2017, 03:34 PM   #35
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  Jan 2016
  NW

This thread is pretty old. He has returned to work and has recovered pretty well considering the circumstances.

After Four Grueling Months, Sheriff John Snaza Returns to Service - The Chronicle: Crime & Sirens

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Trooper Steve Gaston of the Montana Highway Patrol reported in August that Snaza and his friends had been traveling on Montana Highway 200 near milepost 23 in western Montana when he lost control of his bike while driving around a curve. He went off an embankment.

Snaza was riding a 2009 Harley-Davidson, and neither speed nor weather was a factor in the crash, Gaston said.
cough, (bullshit) cough..
Feb 1st 2017, 03:43 PM   #36
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  Jan 2016
  US

Neither Speed nor weather were a factor?

Well, that does leave alcohol or drugs as one possibility.
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