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Apr 3rd 2018, 11:52 AM   #1
 
  Feb 2018
  rochester, wa.

  the all mighty C14 -zx's fat sister
No passing etiquette

Thought I'd share a story about the guy that passed me yesterday on the way to town. I had seen the guy waiting to turn in my direction of travel and noticed he was an older guy w/ some grey in his beard and riding one of those Bergman scooter type bikes (from the front they look like a sport bike). So he pulls out behind me after I passed and a mile or so down the road he starts coming up fairly close behind me on the left tire track near the center line. So I do the off-set positioning moving to the right tire track. Well, instead of passing like a normal person by moving out into the oncoming lane to go around he just flippin' passes on my left- in my lane.. no wave, nothing. A couple corners later, this guy is gone. Must been doing 80 and had passed two cars up ahead besides. I mean how would he think I would have held my line and not decided to move around at the last second? Never rode w/ him. It's totally OK if my bro does that. We know each others style. This in my book is something you just don't do to a stranger, period.
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Edited by k jenson on Apr 5th 2018 at 03:58 AM
Apr 3rd 2018, 12:03 PM   #2
 chadams66's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Garden Home

  2012 Versys...'83 BMW R80 RT...Suzuki GS 450t
I'm figuring that he thought you moved to the right to let him pass...now if he had passed you on the right I could see how you could get upset..otherwise I'd forget this episode and just move along..life is way too short...wishing him bad luck because he passed you? nice...
Apr 3rd 2018, 12:07 PM   #3
 bumblebeetuna's Avatar
 
  Feb 2016
  Bothell

What I got out of this is: Some old guy/hipster on a scooter thought you were slow and smoked you in the twisties...
Apr 3rd 2018, 02:42 PM   #4
 MarvTravis's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Kirkland, WA

  Kawasaki ZX-14
It's called 'communication'. He moved up behind you on your left, communicating to you that he wanted to pass. You moved to the right, communicating to him that it was okay for him to pass. It would have been good for you to have given him a little 'go-ahead' wave that you were ready for him to pass, and it would have been good for him to have given you a 'thank-you' wave after he passed. We need more of this silent 'communication'.

Keep in mind that it's acceptable for motorcycles to be two-abreast in the same lane.

Here's a 'Delboy's Garage' video on the 'Language of Road Positioning' that's applicable.

Edited by MarvTravis on Apr 3rd 2018 at 03:08 PM
Apr 3rd 2018, 02:45 PM   #5
 uhoh's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Tri-Cities, dry side of Washington

  Kawasaki C-14
Yeah that could upset me too. But he's riding a scooter = he's possibly new to riding and
doesn't know any etiquitte, let alone how to ride, proper lines, risks, group riding rules, etc.
Apr 3rd 2018, 05:47 PM   #6
 bumblebeetuna's Avatar
 
  Feb 2016
  Bothell

Your first post in the thread made me laugh...Thanks! Couldn't help but poke fun.

Been passed in my lane once or twice when there are other open lanes next to me. Then watched that rider lane split and try to drag knee on the freeway over pass...

I ride close to center line now unless riding with a friend.

Like Marv mentioned. Simple hand gestures are great and work wonderfully with normal people.
Apr 3rd 2018, 06:19 PM   #7
 Sentinel's Avatar
 
  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
It's damn hard to communicate with other humans under good circumstances. take away in-person, face-to-face talking that includes non-verbal cues like body language and facial expressions, tone of voice, cadence, and rhythm and it's almost impossible. Think of how tone-deaf text messaging is, and how easy it is to get that all backwards. There's just no way he knew what you were thinking, and you obviously didn't know what he was up to.

I agree your move to the right might have seemed like you were making room for him in your lane.

Obviously HE thought so.

Let that shit go though. Fugeddaboudit.

Everyone's mostly just trying to stay alive out there.
Apr 3rd 2018, 06:44 PM   #8
 sunofnun's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  renton aka the dirty south

  Suprduke990 / Tiger800 / 625sumo / TE300 / 12wr450 / 03wr450 / wr250 / CB350 / XR100 / CRF50 / TTR50
I THINK THE CRUCIAL DETAIL IS YOU GOT PASSED BY A SCOOTER....



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Apr 3rd 2018, 08:25 PM   #9
 Scribbles's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  NW

Quote:
he starts coming up fairly close behind me on the left tire track near the center line. So I do the off-set positioning moving to the right tire track.
To me, that says " There's lots of room.. pass on the left if you want to.."
I was half expecting the next sentence to be..

Quote:
"So when he tried to pass I cut him off and knocked his front wheel from out underneath him... stupid scooter...."
I am very relieved that it didnt turn out that way..
Apr 3rd 2018, 08:55 PM   #10
 Transported's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
All kinds of new respect for those Bergmans...
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Apr 4th 2018, 04:54 AM   #11
 Texasl's Avatar
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  Jan 2016
  Northeast Olalla

  07 Guzzi
Those Bergmans have got a lot more pop than most people think. I wouldn't mind having one.
Apr 4th 2018, 05:45 AM   #12
 Kooma's Avatar
 
  Apr 2016
  Portland

  Triumph TT600, Harley Ultra Classic, Yamaha R6, KTM 250sx
Quote:
Originally Posted by sunofnun
I THINK THE CRUCIAL DETAIL IS YOU GOT PASSED BY A SCOOTER....



I've been laughing at this post all morning
Apr 4th 2018, 06:47 AM   #13
 CaptainAwesome's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  WA

  Harley Davidson LR-S
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarvTravis
For anyone watching this note he's in Britain, the driver is on the right side, so flip what side he hangs at to be seen.
Apr 4th 2018, 09:01 AM   #14
 coastrider's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Oregon Coast

  2017 BMW R1200RT
Appears that in this situation he believed you were pulling over to allow him to pass. As he did not know you or your riding style I believe he would have been better to not make the assumption that it was safe to be along side you in the lane with you. And had you inadvertently moved left never having seen him and had a collision I believe the other rider would have been at fault.

I don't think this rider was intentionally being a jerk but I don't think sharing the lane without prior agreement is the proper riding style.

When I ride I consider the entire lane to be mine and I would not appreciate some unknown other rider sharing the lane just because there appeared to be space any more than I would appreciate a car thinking they could pass me using part of my lane.

On the times I have ridden with someone else during our pre-ride talk about where we are going and planned stops I have let the other rider know that I consider the entire lane my own in order to avoid any confusion about lane placement.
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Apr 4th 2018, 09:54 AM   #15
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
Quote:
Originally Posted by k jenson
So he pulls out behind me after I passed and a mile or so down the road he starts coming up fairly close behind me on the left tire track near the center line. So I do the off-set positioning moving to the right tire track.
I'm curious as to why you moved to the right. In the staggered formation the lead rider takes the left side of the lane. Had you stayed in your position he would probably have passed in the other lane. But by conceding the left part of the lane you told him you saw him and were giving him that position.
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