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Jan 21st 2016, 05:58 AM   #1
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  Jan 2016
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I have to be new again?

Well then I guess I should start planning some skills days... Anyone know of a big parking lot we won't get kicked out of for running a cones course through?
Jan 21st 2016, 07:09 AM   #2
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We used to use North Seattle Community College
Jan 21st 2016, 07:21 AM   #3
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We used to use North Seattle Community College
We've tried talking to a number of the colleges and hospitals around here with no luck. We used a lot by Everett CC for a while, but their teacher's union threw a fit because we were teaching on their property without employing a union member (at least that's what I've been told). We're having a helluva time finding a place that'll let us run a skills day without paying through the nose for insurance. We run them for free, so insurance is out of the question unfortunately. We even had to register as a non-profit organization and do a ton of paperwork just for the place we had lined up to add an insurance requirement after we got our non-profit status.
Jan 21st 2016, 08:14 AM   #4
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Why call it teaching and instructing, when you can just throw some cones in a parking lot and tell anyone who inquires that y'all are just practicing your state taught motorcycle skills?
Jan 21st 2016, 08:19 AM   #5
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Why call it teaching and instructing, when you can just throw some cones in a parking lot and tell anyone who inquires that y'all are just practicing your state taught motorcycle skills?
The short answer is liability. It's an organized event that's advertised here and elsewhere, so we'd be boned if we didn't have liability waivers. The presence of waivers means it's hard to make a case for "we all just kinda showed up and there were cones here", although we've tried that argument repeatedly with different parking lot representatives. The only group that didn't run us off was the Snohomish County Fire Dept, but the lot we were both using is gone now.
Jan 21st 2016, 09:15 AM   #6
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What about some of the lots that the MSF courses use?
Jan 21st 2016, 09:22 AM   #7
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What about some of the lots that the MSF courses use?
The ones we've inquired about require insurance, which MSF can afford. We're not able to pay for insurance and keep it free.
Jan 21st 2016, 09:33 AM   #8
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The short answer is liability. It's an organized event that's advertised here and elsewhere, so we'd be boned if we didn't have liability waivers. The presence of waivers means it's hard to make a case for "we all just kinda showed up and there were cones here", although we've tried that argument repeatedly with different parking lot representatives. The only group that didn't run us off was the Snohomish County Fire Dept, but the lot we were both using is gone now.
You can't just organize something here without a waiver? I'm not trying to be contradictory, but only trying to frame this into my own mind. Why do you need a waiver for: "My buddies and I are getting together and fucking around on bikes in a parking lot if you want to join."
Jan 21st 2016, 09:39 AM   #9
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Don't sweat it. You don't seem contradictory at all.

We're running it as an event where we teach new riders how not to get killed. MSF's BRC teaches people how to ride in parking lots because that's where insurance companies lose the most money. We try to give them the tools they need on the street to keep the shiny side up (mainly it's just "keep your head up" and "loosen up on the controls"). We lead people through the course, take them aside for individual sessions, and provide donuts/coffee. I guess the best way to put it is that we're too hands-on to argue that it's just some folks riding around in a parking lot.
Jan 21st 2016, 09:43 AM   #10
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I got ya. For some reason I had it drilled into my head it's just a bunch of long standing moto riding buddies pounding a few beers in the bar across the street than proceeding to try and do this ...

Jan 21st 2016, 09:51 AM   #11
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I got ya. For some reason I had it drilled into my head it's just a bunch of long standing moto riding buddies pounding a few beers in the bar across the street than proceeding to try and do this ...
Looks like fun, but alas we decided to become semi-respectable. This is the event where we bank karma so we don't get stopped for speeding the rest of the time. Well this and riding escort for the Angel Ride for Hospice every summer.
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Jan 21st 2016, 09:59 AM   #12
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I have always scouted and found big secluded parking lots and used them on the weekends but I have only taken one or two people at a time. I have some little foam dog training cones so they fit easy in a tank bag and can be run over easily with little consequence. This is just to teach someone how to ride and pass the initial riding course so it may not work for performance riding practice.

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