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Apr 13th 2018, 09:58 AM   #16
 
  Mar 2018
  Gig Harbor

  2008 BMW R1200GS Adventure
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Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
I think you have a partial answer here, and as alluded to in your edit to the original post.

Sounds like you jammed on your rear brake, locking it up. Once locked up, you lose all stopping power. It's important to remember that the majority of your stopping power is in the front brakes. The other part is to remember to "squeeze", not "grab" the brakes. One thing many of us fail to do is to practice emergency braking, in varying conditions.

Any time I hear someone say "I had to lay it down", or something similar, I can pretty much guess that they stomped on the rear brake and failed to utilize their front brakes properly.

Also, as I read your description of the incident I am wondering if you had gone into a condition "red" or at least "orange" prior to the BMW pulling out. First off, you say you had just passed a garbage truck that was partially blocking the road. That should have been warning number one to slow and cover the front brake because other traffic's view would also be blocked as well as it altering the normal path of travel. Then there was the turning truck, warning number two. Not sure what the speed limit is on that part of roadway, but 3 seconds should have been plenty of time to stop had you heeded the prior warnings, slowed and prepared for any possible situation.

Personally I chalk this up to still needing to dust off some cobwebs after a period of not riding. As well as riding a bike you are still getting familiar with. Shit happens, but as long as we learn from it and aren't seriously injured, all's good.
I think you're right. Hindsight is always 20/20, though.

The garbage truck was blocking the right lane, but not close enough to the intersection to impede my view of the BMW or the BMW's view of me. I mention the 3 or so seconds because I think it was recent enough that his mind was still on that van and likely still watching him in his mirror when he started pulling out.

This is the intersection (me = blue, BMW = black, van = red).

Apr 13th 2018, 10:17 AM   #17
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
Can't see any of your videos. Just get the "3rd party hosting disabled" icon on your posts.

The other thing, is that if you saw the BMW, then the best thing to do is assume he doesn't see you. I had that happen in Belfair one time. Turned left through a 4-way stop intersection. Just beyond was a car waiting to pull out of a parking lot. Even though he looked directly at me, I still mentally expected him to pull out. Sure enough, he did. Since I was already prepared and covering the front brake I managed to stop with my front tire just a few inches from his driver side door. For some reason, when he did see me he stopped, completely blocking the lane. Then, he yells at me, and finished pulling into the roadway.

Number one lesson, always assume the car driver doesn't see you.
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Apr 14th 2018, 09:05 AM   #18
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  Jan 2016
  Northeast Olalla

  07 Guzzi
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Originally Posted by Didley
Location - Fauntleroy Way and Avalon Way
Road Conditions - Wet

What Happened:
I was riding on Fauntleroy Way and was turning right on Avalon. Just before I got to the turn some jackass in a big cargo van did an illegal left turn onto Avalon (coming from the opposite way on Fauntleroy). My guess is the BMW driver was distracted by this DBag and that's why he started pulling out on me. Time between the van making the illegal turn and BMW starting to pull out was around 3 seconds.

What I could have done better:

We had just come around a garbage truck that was blocking the right (turning) lane, so my angle of attack on the turn was higher than normal. I definitely feel this was the primary issue on my part. Had I been taking it tighter like I normally do, then I would have had room to go around. I also could have put more pressure on my front brake and less on the rear as it was the rear that finally slid out. There may have been enough room to maneuver around if the rear hadn't locked. Blinker was on and I wasn't speeding.

Feel free to critique.
Glad to hear that you're okay, and really good to see you take the credit for getting yourself in and adverse situation, deconstructing the scenario, and learning from your errors.

My one bit of critique would be to work on your forward scanning skills to improve your planning. If you had 3 seconds from the dirtbag blowing the turn until the BMW moved and had some sort of plan in place things might have turned out better. I like to play the "what if" game, especially in areas like where you were. I try to find the stuff out there that can help me kill myself and plan for the worst case situation.

As for the ABS conversation, it is a fantastic tool for those cases when you freak out, start screaming inside your helmet like a Miley Cyrus fan, and bury the brakes. I tell my students that the system is an interlock that protects the bike from you.
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