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Apr 27th 2020, 02:19 PM   #31
 1shinysideup's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  600RR
no where to put it.

Apr 27th 2020, 07:45 PM   #32
 Willow's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Silverdale, WA

  848evo, DRZ400SM, XR100
Just paid 1.69/gallon at Chevron in Bremerton........



OK I confess, it's with a dollar discount per gallon through Safeway

I am driving a whole lot less right now, which means I'm filling up
about half the time.........
Apr 28th 2020, 09:25 AM   #33
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
the tankers are floating storage drums now.
funny how easy it is for us to go green.
just stop all the frivolous air travel and driving.
i think a universal basic income, paid in CBDC's (look it up) would literally save us from dying in our own filth.
stay home from your stupid "service industry" job you hate any way and play video games and eat pizza = win:win for the world.
fuck the airlines.
fuck Ford and GM and Toyota (but not Honda and Kawasaki, I mean - get real)
let the coyotes and goats re-enter the world.
more walking less sitting in traffic!
more quiet streets and waving to neighbors less commuting an hour each way for a minimum wage piece of shit job.
Apr 28th 2020, 09:44 AM   #34
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
We should buy the oil companies at firesale prices now, then kill them off with extreme prejudice. Catch and kill indeed.

Then we can buy renewables and really have an energy industry boom.

But that is too logical and ends the gravy train for Big Oil fucks and their purchased politicians.
Apr 28th 2020, 09:47 AM   #35
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  Jan 2016
  NW Oregon

  R1200ST, CB350
The first week after our Governor spoke about closing down and distancing measures etc, it was so quiet in our old, close-in, standard grid neighborhood that I walked right past a coyote, just trotting swiftly along in as carefree manner as you can imagine. But now people are out, all the time, in absolute hordes. Most of them are distancing and wearing masks but enough aren't to make it a real tactical evasion problem every few minutes.

Worst are the stairways which link the streets separated by a steep hillside with ~100' elevation change. There now is *always* some maskless asshole hanging out on a landing playing with their phone, so you ask yourself, do I go up/down that far and try to find out if they're actually willing to get out of the way, or do I say fuck it and go the long way around? A close second are the runners charging down the sidewalk huffing, who make everyone else get out of their way. It could be an old lady in a walker, they don't care.

If you read in the paper that somebody kicked one of these people into the street in front of a passing car, I swear it wasn't me, honest.

On a more motorcycling related note, the outfit I buy neck gaiters from is cleaned out of most of their styles. Which is kind of stupid because they're thin stretchy synthetic with no proven filtration capabilities. I mean, I'd consider wearing two with a sheet of blue scott shop towel sandwiched between them if I had nothing better, but I doubt that's what people are doing. Even a bandana would be better: cotton at least sort of works.
Apr 28th 2020, 11:22 AM   #36
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  Jan 2016
  Hazel Dell, Wa

  Honda VFR800, Husqvarna TE 610, Ducati Hypermotard 1100S, Suzuki VStrom 650, Yamaha Radian, MZ 125SM
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Originally Posted by Transported
We should buy the oil companies at firesale prices now, then kill them off with extreme prejudice. Catch and kill indeed.

Then we can buy renewables and really have an energy industry boom.

But that is too logical and ends the gravy train for Big Oil fucks and their purchased politicians.
Ironic that Michael Moore is now advocating to kill off the greenies and the 'renewable energy' industry... that and lots of people.
This is free for a short time:


IMO, MM is a sly huckster that uses filming techniques, along with selective reasoning to persuade his believers and therefore I don't buy into anything he puts out, but as a college educated, discerning viewer I can watch this as entertainment....uuuuuntil I see the blatant bullshit misrepresentation that pops up, and then I get rather frustrated.
Apr 28th 2020, 01:09 PM   #37
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  Jan 2016
  PDX

  An Ape and a Husky
It's all about the spin and cherry picking the facts.
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Apr 28th 2020, 03:22 PM   #38
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  Jan 2016
  Garden Home

  2012 Versys...'83 BMW R80 RT...Suzuki GS 450t
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboymedic
Ironic that Michael Moore is now advocating to kill off the greenies and the 'renewable energy' industry... that and lots of people.
This is free for a short time:


IMO, MM is a sly huckster that uses filming techniques, along with selective reasoning to persuade his believers and therefore I don't buy into anything he puts out, but as a college educated, discerning viewer I can watch this as entertainment....uuuuuntil I see the blatant bullshit misrepresentation that pops up, and then I get rather frustrated.
Michael Moore may be all of those things..but he only backed and promoted this film...he didn't write it..he didn't film it..and he didn't direct it...it is a POS though...kind of like Raplph Nader's Dangerous at Any Speed...I'm not sure..at what time point did Micheal call for the killing of all greenies?
simply put..there's no free lunch and there's no free energy...there are always trade offs...sure slimy fucks will infest any industry...where's there's money to be made they always show up...

Edited by chadams66 on Apr 28th 2020 at 03:25 PM
Apr 28th 2020, 03:44 PM   #39
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
I saw the film. I think it shows how everyone allows themselves to accommodate, to compromise.

Besides Greta, there are few purists (except maybe Moscow Mitch). But it is disturbing that so many people supposedly doing the good work are also on the take. You can tell McKibben, Gore, et al, know they are guilty when asked about their conflicts of interest. That deer in the headlights look is unmistakeable.

Normally, compromise is good. But I thought global warming was about carbon and science and the science doesn’t compromise in this case. If you believe them, then it is way past time for compromising on this.

I think Moore and his documentarians make a good point overall.
Apr 29th 2020, 09:24 PM   #40
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  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

Quote:
Originally Posted by chadams66
Michael Moore may be all of those things..but he only backed and promoted this film...he didn't write it..he didn't film it..and he didn't direct it...it is a POS though...kind of like Raplph Nader's Dangerous at Any Speed...I'm not sure..at what time point did Micheal call for the killing of all greenies?
simply put..there's no free lunch and there's no free energy...there are always trade offs...sure slimy fucks will infest any industry...where's there's money to be made they always show up...
I had two Corvair’s. One stock ‘60 with an automatic and a gas heater and a ‘63 with a built engine and stick. I liked them both.
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Apr 29th 2020, 10:03 PM   #41
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Transported
I saw the film. I think it shows how everyone allows themselves to accommodate, to compromise.

Besides Greta, there are few purists (except maybe Moscow Mitch). But it is disturbing that so many people supposedly doing the good work are also on the take. You can tell McKibben, Gore, et al, know they are guilty when asked about their conflicts of interest. That deer in the headlights look is unmistakeable.

Normally, compromise is good. But I thought global warming was about carbon and science and the science doesn’t compromise in this case. If you believe them, then it is way past time for compromising on this.

I think Moore and his documentarians make a good point overall.
How is it different from people who rant and rave against oil companies, while riding gasoline-powered motorcycles?
Apr 29th 2020, 10:05 PM   #42
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
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Originally Posted by Transported
We should buy the oil companies at firesale prices now, then kill them off with extreme prejudice. Catch and kill indeed.
In Saudia, Iran, and Russia? Good luck.
Apr 30th 2020, 06:18 AM   #43
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
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Originally Posted by liberpolly
How is it different from people who rant and rave against oil companies, while riding gasoline-powered motorcycles?
I ride a gas powered motorcycle a few hundred miles a year. I ride bicycle far more. And walk. Or public transportation.

If subsidies and governmental support were in line with saving the planet rather than keeping greedy oil companies richer, electric vehicles would be cheap and gas cars would be prohibitively expensive. And I and you could afford to ditch the gas bike for an e bike.

And I am not earning a living promoting a green lifestyle to others while being invested in a gas motorcycle company, which is sort of what the documentary is questioning of our environmentalists.
Apr 30th 2020, 03:01 PM   #44
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
I saw that film, too.
They _are_ burning trees.
It _does_ take a shitload of exotic metals to make batteries and semiconductors.
Solar is nice, but all that tech is messy. See above re: batteries etc.
China is where all our electronics comes from. All. Even the stuff DOD uses.
I bought an electric car. Never again. Lose.
I replaced it with a NOS Hyundai. Win.
They _do_ make electricity with coal and natural gas:
THis from the US E.I.A.
"Fossil fuels are the largest sources of energy for electricity generation
Natural gas was the largest source—about 38%—of U.S. electricity generation in 2019. Natural gas is used in steam turbines and gas turbines to generate electricity.

Coal was the second-largest energy source for U.S. electricity generation in 2019—about 23%. Nearly all coal-fired power plants use steam turbines. A few coal-fired power plants convert coal to a gas for use in a gas turbine to generate electricity."

Coal is nasty shit for all hands. If your family was in coal, you'd know what I am talking about. Talk about trading your life for your paycheck!

The only way out of the energy/poison sandwich is to use less energy, to make and buy fewer things, and for there to be fewer humans, or at least fewer "rich" humans since all wealth is basically concentrated "energy" taken from many who have little, given to few who have much.

It isn't rocket science.
Apr 30th 2020, 03:11 PM   #45
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
A partial way out of the trap is to allocate all of your electric utility purchase to renewables. I have done that for many years. It costs a little more, but I am able to offload some of that nasty coal burning waste and give us a little more time.

But yeah, less consumption, fewer people, and less inequality. We do it or we die. Or rather, we do it and we still die at this point. But not in such great numbers.

So, I am about to get a used electric car with 5,000 miles for quite cheap. What are the downsides? PGE estimates that if you charge it at home at night in non peak hours it will cost a penny a mile while a gas car is about 12 cents a mile. It would be about $125 fuel cost per year compared to $1,400 for the ICE.
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