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Aug 4th 2017, 10:14 AM   #31
 Thumperpilot's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Rome

  SV650S, CRF450R, and others
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Originally Posted by Mudslinger
They look like snow mobiles with wheels to me, but I wave to everyone outside of a cage. Joggers, bicyclists, doesn't matter if they can wave back, great, if not C'est la vie.
They are snowmobiles with wheels!
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Aug 4th 2017, 12:41 PM   #32
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  Feb 2016
  Gig Harbor

I wave every time. Not getting one in return does not cause my panties to bunch.
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Aug 4th 2017, 01:38 PM   #33
 
  Feb 2016
  Spokane

  Vstrom 1000, DRZ 400 XR600 and way to many vintage mxers to list
I thought this was an interesting blog piece about the wave.
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To wave or not to wave. That is not the question. Said topic has been dealt with elsewhere, ad nauseam. Suffice it to say that the choice is entirely yours: Wave first, wave back or don’t wave at all. However, if you do decide to wave, then the Waving Code that all Real Bikers share needs to be committed to memory and implemented correctly.

The historical origin of the wave is attributed to armored knights on horseback. When approached by another knight bearing the same coat of arms, both knights would raise their helmets’ visors to reveal their identities to each other. When knights were not in armor, the lifting of the visor was transformed into a salute, employing a similar motion of the arm and hand.

In the early days of motorcycling, two-wheeled warriors of the open road began greeting each other in passing with a knight-like salute. Nowadays, according to experts on waving protocol, the waves exchanged by bikers are determined by the kinds of bikes they are riding. The major categories are sport-bikes, metric cruising/touring bikes, and genuine Harley-Davidsons. Anything else with a motor and two wheels is considered to be just a motor-bike.

Sport-bikes, be they naked or faired, are designed to be pushed to scary limits by competent pilots of the non-squidly persuasion. Due to their awesome power and handling, they deserve special recognition with a specific salute. Don’t expect a sportbike pilot to remove hand from grip when their bike is cranked over in a turn. While showering sparks onto pavement, the best riders may actually manage a subtle lifting of the left index finger. Consequently, waving at sportbikes by wiggling your index finger is considered the proper salute. If you are riding an inline-four and aren’t preoccupied with scraping noises emanating from your footpeg, you may want to wave by raising all four fingers while leaving your left thumb curled under the grip. Ducati riders may similarly modify the standard sportbike salute, using two fingers to symbolize their twins.

There are a couple of other hand gestures shared by sportbike riders that are worth mentioning. If you have recently eluded a speed trap on your crotch-rocket and encounter oncoming sportbike riders, pat the top of your helmet to let them know there’s fuzz up ahead. On the other hand, if the section of highway you’ve just burned up is not infested with gun-toting kill-joys trying to enforce speed limits meant for cagers, you may want to signal with a thumbs-up, just to let the other bikers know that they, too, can go for it.

Japanese metric cruisers and baggers, while undeniably offering the best bang for the buck in the forward-foot-control genre, just don’t have enough innate character to garner the respect of bikers whose loyalties lie elsewhere. While heavily customized versions may receive admiration at bike shows, their riders tend to feel like Rodney Dangerfield when on the road. If you don’t ride rice and want to avoid the appearance of snobbery, you may acknowledge these Oriental economic miracles by raising your left hand vertically, keeping your elbow close to your side so as not to imitate a right-turn hand signal. Keeping your fingers curled, touch your left thumb to your index finger as if pinching a penny. If you are riding a metric cruiser, open your left hand while maintaining thumb to forefinger contact, and form the universally recognized sign for “O.K., Dude!”

The venerable Harley-Davidson is the only motorcycle worthy of the V-Twin salute. A “V for Victory” or “Peace, Brother” symbol is formed with the index and middle fingers, and delivered with a slow extension of the left arm, downward at a 45-degree angle. If you own a Harley and have acquired the all-too-common “Harleyer than Thou” attitude towards other coats of arms, upon discovering that the approaching bike is actually a Japanese imposter you can simply retract your index finger. Depending upon the extent of your air-cooled bigotry, you may want to give an approaching V-Rod rider the same one-finger salute. Unless, of course, you are also riding a V-Rod, in which case a shoulder shrug is probably sufficient.

Should you encounter an off-brand American cruiser, a chopper, a Euro-bike that is not of the sporting variety, or a Japanese model other than cruiser, bagger or sportbike, a quasi-salute is optional. This can be accomplished with a brief opening of your left hand, just above the grip. However, if you happen to be riding the very same kind of motorcycle, then by all means feel free to make a fool of yourself by gesticulating wildly.

When it comes to waving etiquette, there remain several murky areas still being hotly debated. For example, should passengers wave to other passengers, thereby sharing pillion empathy? If you are of the waving persuasion, should you greet everyone coming the other way on your poker run? If there is a large group of oncoming riders, and their motorcycles represent a mixed bag, should you give the entire group one continuous, generic wave, or should you greet each rider individually with a wave that is politically correct for their specific mount? If you can accomplish the latter at 50 miles per hour, you can probably count cards in Vegas.

There is one more thing that needs to be said here. While it is perfectly acceptable for bikers to return in kind the waves of pedestrians, be they inquisitive children or envious adults, Real Bikers never wave back at grown-ups on bicycles, mopeds or motor-scooters. If you’ll feel guilt-ridden for not being oh-so polite, then perhaps a simple nod of the head in recognition of their existence would ease your conscience. Just hope that your riding buddies don’t notice!
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Aug 4th 2017, 02:01 PM   #34
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  Jan 2016
  Bremerton

  '12 Concours14, '08 GSX1300R, '06 GSX-R 750
I wave at motorcycles. Not scooters, not mopeds and not those God awful spiders. This is because they're not motorcycles. Just like a Jeep guy doesn't wave to me when I'm in my truck. We're both driving 4x4's but we're not the same.

I find it somewhat irksome when an on coming rider, on a 2 lane road, clearly sees you coming and does not wave. They just keep their hand perched on their hip like they're too cool for school. I find that it's mostly riders on cruiser type bikes but it's not exclusive. Maybe it's because I ride a "cop" bike now which I have to admit does have a noticeable affect on traffic around me when I ride it, particularly on the highway.

Also, speaking of bike cops who don't wave, I've noticed that all the bike cops around here ride with virtually no riding gear (i.e. short sleeves, regular uniform pants, boots). I figured they'd have some pretty decent gear issued by their departments. I know everybody is different in the gear arena but wouldn't it make sense that they, of all riders, should be protected?
Aug 4th 2017, 04:50 PM   #35
 
  Jan 2016
  SE PDX

I also gave the 'cop' waive to a cop. He/She simply just pointed at themselves as they passed.

Lately I've decided to simply waive and not pay any attention to if they waive back.
Aug 4th 2017, 04:54 PM   #36
 
  Jan 2016
  SE PDX

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Originally Posted by Pavement Tested

Also, speaking of bike cops who don't wave, I've noticed that all the bike cops around here ride with virtually no riding gear (i.e. short sleeves, regular uniform pants, boots). I figured they'd have some pretty decent gear issued by their departments. I know everybody is different in the gear arena but wouldn't it make sense that they, of all riders, should be protected?
Last time I talked with a CCSO deputy about why don't they wear any armor, he explained they are not allowed. Sheriff decided it is bad for PR, would make them look too much like storm troopers.

I suggested he consider some under clothing armor that would work and not be seen, by the public, or his boss.
Aug 4th 2017, 05:58 PM   #37
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  Jan 2016
  Bremerton

  '12 Concours14, '08 GSX1300R, '06 GSX-R 750
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragon Rider
Last time I talked with a CCSO deputy about why don't they wear any armor, he explained they are not allowed. Sheriff decided it is bad for PR, would make them look too much like storm troopers.

I suggested he consider some under clothing armor that would work and not be seen, by the public, or his boss.
If that is true, and I have no reason to believe it is not, that is one of the dumbest things I have heard in quite a while. "We're going to endanger our moto officers by not letting them protect themselves from harm because it makes them look intimidating." What the ACTUAL fuck is that about? Riding gear is not riot gear and when is the last time anyone saw a person in a riding jacket and thought "Holy shit! A storm trooper!" Hopefully that department doesn't end up regreting that fool hardy policy decision.
Aug 4th 2017, 06:33 PM   #38
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Triumph Street Twin
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Originally Posted by Pavement Tested
If that is true, and I have no reason to believe it is not, that is one of the dumbest things I have heard in quite a while. "We're going to endanger our moto officers by not letting them protect themselves from harm because it makes them look intimidating." What the ACTUAL fuck is that about? Riding gear is not riot gear and when is the last time anyone saw a person in a riding jacket and thought "Holy shit! A storm trooper!" Hopefully that department doesn't end up regreting that fool hardy policy decision.
Agree.

I think the opposite is true - they're not wearing gear out of machismo.

I wave at everying on less than 4 wheels. And by "wave" I mean pointing two fingers to the ground. Motocops usually wave back. Scooters usually don't. I suspect most of them have no idea what I am doing and why.

Speaking of scooters, why most of them don't wear gloves? I mean, imagine a stray pebble hitting your hand (happened to me) and you instinctively retract it, sending yourself under the wheels of an incoming semi?
Aug 5th 2017, 06:36 AM   #39
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  Jan 2016
  Spanaway

I like how a rider waves at me when they are 6 lanes over on a divided freeway.
Going the opposite direction....Really?

Pointing to the ground with your fingers like a stabbing weapon, dorky.
Aug 5th 2017, 07:40 AM   #40
 Suzuki Stevo's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle ,Wa

  Burgman 400, TW200, Boulevard M50 & C90T, 2018 Indian Scout 1131
if you're on two wheels...I wave, if you where on an import back in the 70's and you waved to anybody on an HD, odds where you got a cold shoulder, that has all changed, everybody seems to be waving at everybody now
Aug 6th 2017, 07:25 AM   #41
 
  Jul 2016
  Clackamas

  2017 KLR650
I don't really wave. Mine is more of a two fingers down towards the pavement to let my fellow rider know I wish him/her a good ride with both wheels on the ground.

Bikes I don't wave at? Maybe some squids.
Aug 7th 2017, 05:29 AM   #42
 
  Apr 2017
  Seattle

  DL650A
I don't wave too much around town because there's just too many riders.

I find that those that don't wave back most commonly are guys on the barn-door-faired cruisers or those with ape-hangers. I guess they're just too badass. Also dirt-bike riders. They clearly aren't badass, so why are they being stand-offish?
Aug 7th 2017, 08:40 AM   #43
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Triumph Street Twin
Quote:
Originally Posted by juanitotheclumsy
I don't wave too much around town because there's just too many riders.

I find that those that don't wave back most commonly are guys on the barn-door-faired cruisers or those with ape-hangers. I guess they're just too badass. Also dirt-bike riders. They clearly aren't badass, so why are they being stand-offish?
Maybe they're too busy hanging on to their bikes?
Aug 7th 2017, 11:37 AM   #44
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  Feb 2016
  Poulsbo, WA

  Aprilia RSV Mille, CB77, CB750K, CB750F
It strikes me that the head nod - done in a subtle but imperious fashion - best establishes your badass social standing and your acute sense of the undoubtedly inferior station of other riders without completely snubbing them.



On Lopez Island everyone has to wave at each other, even in cages. It's quite exhausting.
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Aug 7th 2017, 04:30 PM   #45
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  Jul 2016
  Mill Creek, WA

  2016 ZX-6R 636, 2017 Husqvarna 701 Supermoto
I wave to everyone except scooters and can-ams. Sometimes I just do the two fingers down, and sometimes I will give a hang-loose. Depends on my mood.

I ESPECIALLY wave to motor-cops. Hey man, they are out there on two-wheels too. You think they only ride for the police? Naw, they are riders like us. Different opinions on things perhaps, perhaps not.

A couple weeks ago I was making a left turn from west-bound HWY2 onto Mann Rd. There is a double set of train tracks there right after you turn. So of course, I popped my front wheel up and rode a medium height wheelie for a short distance over the tracks. When my wheel came down, I saw there was a bike stopped in line for the red light going the other way. I gave him the wave, and he nodded and gave me a fist-bump motion. That is about the moment I realized he was a cop. LOL
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