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Feb 18th 2018, 11:58 PM   #1
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  Jan 2016

  SV650S, CRF450R, and others
Whatcom County ORV park MEETING!! This TUE & WED!!

Maple Falls on Feb. 20
6 to 8:30 p.m., February 20, 2018
East Whatcom Regional Resource Center
8251 Kendall Road
Maple Falls, WA

Bellingham on Feb. 21
6 to 8:30 p.m., February 21, 2018
Port of Bellingham Cruise Terminal in the Dome Room
355 Harris Ave
Bellingham, WA 98225


SUPPORT A LOCAL ORV motorized trail system!!!

Feb 19th 2018, 05:36 PM   #2
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  SV650S, CRF450R, and others
Feb 20th 2018, 09:54 PM   #3
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  SV650S, CRF450R, and others
Well, THAT didn't go as planned! We had a solid voice at the meeting tonight but we NEED MORE VOICES!

The state DNR is indebted to the WHATCOM COUNTY COUNCIL on whether they can put forward a motorized trails area here because
WHATCOM COUNTY has a law banning motorized ORV use in Whatcom County!!!


WRITE a short note to the COUNCIL MEMBERS (or the entire council) to ask for their support of the DNR's petition for MOTORIZED TRAILS in Whatcom County!!!

Feb 20th 2018, 09:55 PM   #4
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  Jan 2016

  SV650S, CRF450R, and others
Whatcom County Council Members 2018

Barbara Brenner
Phone: 360-384-2762

Timothy Ballew II
Phone: 360-778-5024

Rud Browne
Phone: 360-820-9494

Barry Buchanan
Phone: 360-224-4330

Tyler Byrd
Phone: 360-778-5021

Todd Donovan
Phone: 360-483-8474

Satpal Sidhu
Phone: 360-305-4948

Whatcom County Council
311 Grand Avenue
Suite 105
Bellingham, WA 98225
Phone: 360-778-5010 Fax: 360-778-5011

Council Office Email:
Feb 20th 2018, 09:59 PM   #5
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  Jan 2016

  SV650S, CRF450R, and others
ONE more meeting to show and VOICE your support!

Every tree-hugging nut job was out in force tonight and many were there early to take the front rows. Need faces tomorrow and also (MORE IMPORTANT)

WRITE Council Members
Call Council Members

Write and Call the DNR supporting motorized recreation trails in Whatcom County!!!
Feb 21st 2018, 07:21 AM   #6
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  Jan 2016
  Northeast Olalla

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Talking Notes from the long time lobbyist.

Originally Posted by Thumperpilot
Every tree-hugging nut job was out in force tonight and many were there early to take the front rows. Need faces tomorrow and also (MORE IMPORTANT)

WRITE Council Members
Call Council Members

Write and Call the DNR supporting motorized recreation trails in Whatcom County!!!
People need to have a good presence at the meeting, but not everyone needs to beat the issue into submission. Everyone should sign up to provide testimony, but at the same time, when called, it is very professional to let the members of the commission know that your points have been covered, offer your support, thank the commissioners for their consideration, and sit your butt down. (This is very effective if the opposition continues to harp on the same talking points ad naseum. )

A fine point: Pick a couple of the more elegant members of the group to sign up first in the hope that they will get to be called first.

A bit of advice on talking points, all directed at concept plan E:
  • Any chance of potential sedimentation is mitigated in a well designed plan from DNR.
  • The closest eastern approach of the proposed double track area to Sprague Lake is on the west side of the drainage system, which would move any possible runoff away from the lake and wetland systems.
  • The west side of the proposed double track area is mitigated by existing road systems.
  • The closest east side approach of the proposed single track area to Silver Lake is roughly 3/4 miles, with a 40 foot fall per 1/4 mile run (.32% grade) for the last half mile before the final buffering of Silver Lake Road.
  • The entire buffer for the west side of the proposed single track area has extremely flat runout in the already well developed area of Columbia Valley.
  • The off highway enthusiasts are more than happy to work with DNR, as well as stakeholders, to design an environmentally sound trail system IAW federal guidelines. (Huge thing here, make sure to emphasize it.)

Finally, while we all know that OHV playing is a great family pastime, I don't think that data point should be the major point. Responsible stewardship of DNR resources for a wide group of citizens would be my prime focus.

Good luck.
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Feb 21st 2018, 11:05 PM   #7
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  Jan 2016

  SV650S, CRF450R, and others
Tonight's meeting

Tonight there was a much less lopsided meeting. Many user groups were there.
I am not on any of the sign up sheets for the tree-hugger, bird-watching, anti-ORV group, but did hear their repeated talking points and see them written out.
In a conversation with one man, he pointed to the
1) unregulated trails that would (presumably) proliferate, resulting in
damage to his neighboring land (questionable if he really was a neighbor)
2) noise from ORV's
3) salmon streams would be ruined by riding through them.
4) he's a neighbor and moved out to live by Sumas Mt for the quiet.

On his first point, he already has this problem (with no ORV trail system) so that's a moot point that needs to be addressed regardless.

I'm all for quieter ORV's and low sound levels. I agree with him that they should have to run a responsible sound level for exhaust systems. It should be enforced as much as anything else on the mountain. Obnoxiously loud exhaust is not cool.

We haven't been able to ride in streams for years; they are all bridged (unless it is crossing a hard bottom, gravel, non-sedimentary type of stream bed). He had NO IDEA and found it incredulous that there were that many bridges. Frankly, I don't see where there should be ANY problem funding bridges if the state agencies will work TOGETHER with private funding. WE can build bridges just as good as any mountain bike group can (and they build fabulous bridges. One DNR guy described the mountain bike bridges built at N.Fork as "Trestles"!).

I also live near the mountain. Not ON the mountain, but I moved specifically to be closer to the riding areas in this county. He asked if it bothered me hearing motorcycles. NO! I told him there is nothing more beautiful than the sound of a race car pulling off a good pass down the quarter mile! I enjoy hearing bikes and they don't bother me.

I don't know if one conversation will help to persuade a fellow citizen, but at least it was civil...

I like what you wrote Texal.

WE NEED PEOPLE TO RESPOND (specifically to the County Council). ASAP!
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Edited by Thumperpilot on Feb 22nd 2018 at 10:20 PM
Feb 22nd 2018, 07:28 AM   #8
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  Jan 2016

Concerning funding fro bridges, last grant cycle there was National Recreational Trails funding for motorized projects left on the table due to a shortage of applicants.

Also, in the last seven years or so, the Nonhighway and Offroad Activities grant appropriation has increase by about 40 percent.

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