Mikeames

Interesting survey for Washington motorcyclists....

https://www.facebook.com/13125499698...1985/?vh=e&d=n

Pavement Tested

Does one have to be on FB to take the survey?

juanitotheclumsy

Looks like yes, and if the DOL is really doing this survey, it's BS, because the sample is totally self-selected. It will have almost zero statistical significance.

Ryanthegreat1

No Facebook required. Hosted on Survey Gizmo.

2020 Motorcyclist Beliefs and Perspectives

curve addict

Done. Hopefully, my junk mail and telemarketer calls won't ramp up too much.

Akdawg

You're totally right on. Only way I found it was through this site, not having FB. I think they'll get such a small cross section of the MC public as to make this survey worthless. Wondering what they're hoping to find out that they haven't already been told or somehow magically know about. Makes me wonder if they have a motorcycle rider somewhere on the DOL staff or even the building they can ask questions of?

RoboD

You can submit your answers without providing personal info.

Texasl

Not really. I've got riding gear with more experience than the most senior person at DOL. They are dancing to the statisticians music, and have no real idea about the real world riders.

Sentinel

I just returned from a "real world" ride through tacoma by the train station wherein i discovered I can actuate the front ABS with one finger when a guy moved from the middle of three lanes, to the right lane, in front of me, and slammed on his brakes at the same time, with his LEFT turn signal on.
good times.
fucking ABS for the win.

A2B

I am so sick of coming around a blind corner at 55 or 60 mph to be confronted by a motorcycle crowding the line, on the line, or on my side of it. What? is this a new motorcycle game, "Ride the Line?"

Yesterday, Hwy 153 was closed, I had to go over the Bill Shaw Rd. out of Pateros.

Blind corner, a dozen or more motorcycles, all riding in pairs. Each consecutive pair taking up more room. The last two pairs took up 2/3 of a washboard dirt road, leaving me barely any room without going in the ditch. Slammed on the brakes, washboard road....almost lost control.

If you ride in pairs, stay a couple feet from the line. ESPECIALLY ON CORNERS.

If you are riding on a dirt road, ride single file......

PLEASE !

FYI, This was posted on the Methow Valley Bulletin Board and several people responded with their own experiences of motorcycle rider behavior in the Methow Valley. Motorcycles have long been a topic in town hall meetings. In 1997 when I moved here, I got tracked down by a guy for blasting twisp-carlton road with a couple buddies, so it's been going on for a long time. Loud pipes are probably the biggest gripe, but speed gets it's fair share of comments. The reason I bring this up is a large majority of people in the methow valley are very very proactive on issues and they are the kind of folks who write letters and fill out surveys. I guess I'm giving my riding habits a second look and trying to be a better example for the motorcycle industry. I probably still ride a little fast sometimes, but my bikes are stealthy quiet now. It's kinda fun!! Oh and the title of his post was "Learn how to ride your Fucking Motorcycle" I know the guy, he's actually pretty cool.

Come on over and enjoy the riding.

Sentinel

I think one of the underlying premises of the topic is that there exists a meaningful representative set of what they call "motorcyclists" (bikers, whatevers...).
I don't think there is.
Is there such a thing as "pickup truck drivers" that we would use in the same way we use "bikers"?
Those line-crossers were just dudes, same as you and me. It is not meaningful that they were riding motorcycles as far as choice-making in the context of how you are going to operate a vehicle on a public road.
Yeah, bikes are faster and louder (though I would say diesel trucks are far worse from a public health and safety perspective) and scarier than Camrys or Priuses.
But if you think its about the bikes go watch any (all?) "Cars and Coffee" videos.
A 200 hp ZX-10 is mechanical cocaine, sure. But so is a 500hp Evo.
If you're gonna fuck around on the road, well, you get it...
Dogs gonna bark.

A2B

Sure, I get your point. It may not be fair to put all styles of bikes in the same bucket, but to the couple sitting on their deck on a quiet evening, walking their dogs on a narrow county road or going on an Aero Methow call for motorcycle accident, we get quantified as a group. I have many apologies to make for my years of riding habits, but now I'm also interested in keeping the WELCOME signs lit for myself and others. Understanding an issue allows for choice. Well, this is the first day in a while that's not going to be 100, so I'm going for a ride.