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Jul 6th 2019, 04:18 PM   #31
 VeritasImageryNW's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
Quote:
Originally Posted by chadams66
interesting my insurance card has all three bikes listed on it...I don't suppose if you have multiple cards you could carry them all? or at least make sure you have the right one on you? I still can't see any real problems here..but then I don't live in Washington any more...things are kind of tough up there it seems...
so if you're out there riding your bike and you get into an unfortunate accident and you don't have the right insurance card on you..who's fault is that? why would you do that? I don't really think that's a valid point...yeah you'd have to go to court to fix "your" error..but it would seem to be a very easy case to win...I would advise not doing that and avoiding any trouble...seems simple enough to me..but then I'm lucky and only have that one card..right? well two really..amazingly enough my car insurance card has both of my cages on it...funny thing..I carry my car insurance card when I'm riding my bike...kind of crazy I know..but it's easier than taking it out of my wallet every time I ride...same is true when I'm in a cage..I have my motorcycle insurance card with me...wild huh?
Must be an insurance provider thing. My car insurance issues a single card per car.

Normally not an issue with the cars because the insurance card is in the same envelope as the registration, in the glove box. With the bikes it all depends on if there is some "storage" provided. The Harley has no place to keep either the registration or the insurance card, so I have to keep both of those in my wallet at all times, so I can't just jump on the bike and forget them. The Honda has underseat storage so it's not a problem with that. But if you had multiple bikes with no place to store reg. and ins. card, it could be real easy to forget to grab them, or swap out what you're carrying.
Jul 6th 2019, 04:30 PM   #32
 
  Jan 2016
  Lynnwood WA

  2007 Yamaha FZ6, 2008 Aprilia Tuono & 2009 Yamaha WR250R
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Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
Must be an insurance provider thing.
Methinks you're spot on with that observation. My bikes are covered by Progressive and are all listed on the same card but my cages (minivan & truck), covered by The Hartford, get their own cards.
Jul 6th 2019, 04:59 PM   #33
 Flyboymedic's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Hazel Dell, Wa

  Honda VFR800, Husqvarna TE 610, Ducati Hypermotard 1100S, Suzuki VStrom 650, Yamaha Radian, MZ 125SM
Quote:
Originally Posted by liberpolly
If your garage full of motorcycles which are happened to be made before 1990, you can get collectible plates and be exempted from mandatory insurance (and annual fees).
Not true, which is a part of why I hate this law- they need to be 40 years old or older according to these links:
https://www.insurance.wa.gov/washing...-insurance-law
And the definition of 'horseless carriage' as the term which is used above:
https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.18.255
Jul 6th 2019, 07:32 PM   #34
 Bald Guy's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Kennewick

  Versys 1000 SE LT+, Ural Patrol and a shit load of BN125
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboymedic
Not true, which is a part of why I hate this law- they need to be 40 years old or older according to these links:
https://www.insurance.wa.gov/washing...-insurance-law
And the definition of 'horseless carriage' as the term which is used above:
https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.18.255
In addition you still must show financial responsibility whether you insure or not.
Jul 6th 2019, 08:49 PM   #35
 liberpolly's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboymedic
Not true, which is a part of why I hate this law- they need to be 40 years old or older according to these links:
https://www.insurance.wa.gov/washing...-insurance-law
And the definition of 'horseless carriage' as the term which is used above:
https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.18.255
I think this is wrong - whoever wrote the article doesn't understand the difference.

the text:

https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.30.020

reads:
(3) The provisions of this chapter shall not govern:
(a) The operation of a motor vehicle registered under RCW 46.18.220 or 46.18.255
So it's EITHER 220 (Collector vehicle license plates.) or 255 (Horseless carriage license plates)
https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.18.220

(1) A registered owner may apply to the department, county auditor or other agent, or subagent appointed by the director for a collector vehicle license plate for a motor vehicle or travel trailer that is at least thirty years old. The motor vehicle must be operated primarily as a collector vehicle and be in good running order. The applicant for the collector vehicle license plate shall:
(a) Purchase a registration for the motor vehicle or travel trailer as required under chapters 46.16A and 46.17 RCW; and
(b) Pay the special license plate fee established under *RCW 46.17.220(1)(f), in addition to any other fees or taxes required by law.
(2) A person applying for a collector vehicle license plate may:
(a) Receive a collector vehicle license plate assigned by the department; or
(b) Provide an actual Washington state issued license plate designated for general use in the year of the vehicle's manufacture.
(3) Collector vehicle license plates:
(a) Are valid for the life of the motor vehicle or travel trailer;
(b) Are not required to be renewed; and
(c) Must be displayed on the rear of the motor vehicle or travel trailer.
(4) A collector vehicle registered under this section may only be used for participation in club activities, exhibitions, tours, parades, and occasional pleasure driving.
It looks like it should be good.
Jul 6th 2019, 09:28 PM   #36
 Akdawg's Avatar
 
  Dec 2018
  Goldendale WA

  Classic Sportsters, Triumph & BSA
Quote:
Originally Posted by liberpolly
I think this is wrong - whoever wrote the article doesn't understand the difference.

the text:

https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.30.020

reads:
(3) The provisions of this chapter shall not govern:
(a) The operation of a motor vehicle registered under RCW 46.18.220 or 46.18.255
So it's EITHER 220 (Collector vehicle license plates.) or 255 (Horseless carriage license plates)
https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.18.220

(1) A registered owner may apply to the department, county auditor or other agent, or subagent appointed by the director for a collector vehicle license plate for a motor vehicle or travel trailer that is at least thirty years old. The motor vehicle must be operated primarily as a collector vehicle and be in good running order. The applicant for the collector vehicle license plate shall:
(a) Purchase a registration for the motor vehicle or travel trailer as required under chapters 46.16A and 46.17 RCW; and
(b) Pay the special license plate fee established under *RCW 46.17.220(1)(f), in addition to any other fees or taxes required by law.
(2) A person applying for a collector vehicle license plate may:
(a) Receive a collector vehicle license plate assigned by the department; or
(b) Provide an actual Washington state issued license plate designated for general use in the year of the vehicle's manufacture.
(3) Collector vehicle license plates:
(a) Are valid for the life of the motor vehicle or travel trailer;
(b) Are not required to be renewed; and
(c) Must be displayed on the rear of the motor vehicle or travel trailer.
(4) A collector vehicle registered under this section may only be used for participation in club activities, exhibitions, tours, parades, and occasional pleasure driving.
It looks like it should be good.
So it looks like two of my Sportsters and a BSA qualify for the collector plate, BUT who determines "occasional pleasure driving"? Once a week? Twice a month? Local LEO sees me out more than he thinks appropriate I'm bagged for exceeding license usage plus no insurance? I'm gonna be asking somebody about this....

Edited by Akdawg on Jul 6th 2019 at 09:31 PM
Jul 6th 2019, 10:11 PM   #37
 Flyboymedic's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Hazel Dell, Wa

  Honda VFR800, Husqvarna TE 610, Ducati Hypermotard 1100S, Suzuki VStrom 650, Yamaha Radian, MZ 125SM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akdawg
So it looks like two of my Sportsters and a BSA qualify for the collector plate, BUT who determines "occasional pleasure driving"? Once a week? Twice a month? Local LEO sees me out more than he thinks appropriate I'm bagged for exceeding license usage plus no insurance? I'm gonna be asking somebody about this....
I used to have a beautiful Torch Red '68 Chevy PU and used it as a daily driver but I lived in Portland, then Vancouver where there are a lot more people and police officers. I think as long as you're not driving past the police every day you'll be fine, even in Goldendale. The thing is, you only have to state that you're driving it to show it to someone or taking it somewhere to get it worked on and of course, driving it for pleasure.
Jul 6th 2019, 10:28 PM   #38
 liberpolly's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akdawg
So it looks like two of my Sportsters and a BSA qualify for the collector plate, BUT who determines "occasional pleasure driving"? Once a week? Twice a month? Local LEO sees me out more than he thinks appropriate I'm bagged for exceeding license usage plus no insurance? I'm gonna be asking somebody about this....
Any lawyers in the house to search for court cases? Google brings nothing.

I am damn sure riding my 1974 Honda only for "occasional pleasure driving".

Edited by liberpolly on Jul 6th 2019 at 10:36 PM
Jul 7th 2019, 04:20 AM   #39
 Texasl's Avatar
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  Jan 2016
  Northeast Olalla

  07 Guzzi
Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
Easier said than done sometimes..."Yer motorbike sounds a bit too loud..." "You were swerving around in yer lane a bit, have you been drinking?" "I didn't see yer brake light when you slowed down, I think you have a light out." "This motorcycle looks a lot like one reported stolen."

One thing I learned while getting my Law Enforcement degree was that it doesn't take much at all to have "probable cause" for a traffic stop.
True, but normally the LEO doing that is trolling and is not the norm.
Jul 8th 2019, 10:41 AM   #40
 sunofnun's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  renton aka the dirty south

  KTM SD 1290 / KTM SD 990 / TE300 / 150xcw / wr250 / CB350 / GROM / TTR50 / CRF 50 / XR100
MOTORCYCLE "SAFETY" PATROLS ON NOW


Saw that on i-5 sunday on the way back from celebrating our nation's freedoms
Definitely read it as MOTORCYCLE "REVENUE" PATROLS on now..



Hide yo kids, hide yo wife.. they out here rapin everybody out here.
Jul 8th 2019, 04:55 PM   #41
 Akdawg's Avatar
 
  Dec 2018
  Goldendale WA

  Classic Sportsters, Triumph & BSA
Received email today from Rep Jenkin office (author of the insurance bill) responding to my query about notification of motorcycle insurance. Apparently Insurance Division is working with DOL to change their vehicle registration renewal for August (timely eh?) to reflect the insurance requirement for motorcycles. Leaves an empty hole for July/August, so pass the word. He cited RCW46.63.117 but I came up 0 on a legislative site search, it has to do with penalty. I think its $450 and or community service for not meeting requirement. So....unless you want to be picking up garbage along the road as your friends motor by....
Jul 8th 2019, 05:02 PM   #42
 Akdawg's Avatar
 
  Dec 2018
  Goldendale WA

  Classic Sportsters, Triumph & BSA
Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
Easier said than done sometimes..."Yer motorbike sounds a bit too loud..." "You were swerving around in yer lane a bit, have you been drinking?" "I didn't see yer brake light when you slowed down, I think you have a light out." "This motorcycle looks a lot like one reported stolen."

One thing I learned while getting my Law Enforcement degree was that it doesn't take much at all to have "probable cause" for a traffic stop.
I don't trust any one of 'em. Been pulled over plenty for "roadside chats", no citations....just fishin'
Jul 9th 2019, 05:33 AM   #43
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  Jan 2016
  Stanwood

Quote:
Originally Posted by Akdawg
He cited RCW46.63.117 but I came up 0 on a legislative site search, it has to do with penalty.
No such law.

Try RCW46.30

https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.30
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