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Jul 30th 2021, 07:02 PM   #1
 
  Feb 2016
  tacoma

WA laws that went into effect last sunday, dont pull over!

Heard on radio today and more recently, WA police are no longer able to pursue other vehicles unless they have clear probable cause that they are involved in a violent felony such as homicide, burglary, etc. Yesterday a reckless driver sped away from police on the interstate, they broke off. the driver then flipped a bitch into the on ramp and ran into a car.

I heard a WA state trooper on the radio today and he agreed to the hypothetical example that if a trooper tries to pull someone over for speeding, say 75 in a 60, and they do not stop the cops cannot pursue. their only recourse is to match license plate with a photo of the driver and come after them at a later date, assuming they can match the photo.


Any fellow motorcyclists want to test this and report their findings?

(in case its not evident, i think this is stupid.)
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Edited by sicc on Jul 30th 2021 at 07:17 PM
Jul 30th 2021, 07:30 PM   #2
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Jul 30th 2021, 08:19 PM   #3
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

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Looking at it from the cops perspective (just theorizing here), it makes sense. The risk of the pursued driver/rider causing serious or fatal injuries to some innocent third party, or themself, isn't worth the effort. Law enforcement also has the advantage of radio transmission to others that could potentially set up spike strips or other such as photo capture as mentioned above. A cop that I used to ride with told me about a pursuit one night of a bike that had blown through a red light. He ended the chase when the rider was doing way over the speed limit. About 10 minutes later the cops and FD responded to another part of the neighborhood where the squid had crashed...by himself, thankfully.
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Jul 30th 2021, 09:35 PM   #4
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  Aug 2020
  Vancouver, WA

  2019 Suzuki SV650X
glad another state is adopting a no pursuit policy. a lot of collateral damage can be prevented by simply not escalating a situation on a simple revenue generating infraction. will i personally run? hell no. not worth the risk of the vigilantes in the area that thing "citizen arrest" are a thing. Plus, I'm in tech. The level of data collection available now makes running like what it was in the 90s a non-existent action now. However, maybe it'll save some squids. When they don't see the party lights keeping up, they'll lay off and get a ticket in the mail instead. Or they'll let darwinism do what it does and clean the gene pool.
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Jul 31st 2021, 10:36 AM   #5
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  Jan 2016
  Seabeck

  '08 GSX1300R, '06 GSX-R 750, '16 KTM 690 Duke, '07 XR650L
Before everyone throws a party in celebration of the "no pursuit" laws that went into effect, go ahead an actually READ what laws went into effect and how it affects policing now.

Once you've done that, pack up and put away all your bitching about not getting any help from law enforcement when your shit gets stolen or someone close to you is assaulted or you feel you were wronged in some way...for anything, not just motor vehicle related things. Also, enjoy being arrested at the DMV when you go to renew your license and a bench warrant shows up on their screen for that felony evade you got tagged with because "they can't pursue me..."


Note: I fully expect an abundance of "fuck the police" comments and do not care.
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Edited by Pavement Tested on Jul 31st 2021 at 10:41 AM
Jul 31st 2021, 03:37 PM   #6
 
  Feb 2016
  tacoma

Police: Man drove through several counties in stolen school bus before crashing front-end loader into home
By Q13 News Staff


LEAVENWORTH, Wash. - A man from Stevens County has been arrested for allegedly stealing a school bus and driving it through multiple counties before stealing a front-end loader and crashing it into a home.

The Chelan County Sheriff's Office said the incident began around 7:40 p.m. on Saturday near Leavenworth when employees of Osprey Rafting witnessed a man drive away in the company's privately-owned yellow school bus.
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Officers were able to track the bus down and saw the driver run a red light near Monitor in Chelan County. Deputies tried to pull the bus over but the driver did not stop.

Washington’s new police reform laws no longer allow law enforcement to pursue a fleeing vehicle unless there is probable cause that a serious felony has occurred, so the deputies had to abandon the pursuit.

Douglas County sheriff’s deputies took over and followed the vehicle eastbound on SR 28 after it traveled through the city limits of Wenatchee and across the Senator George Sellar Bridge.

The Douglas County Sheriff's Office also stopped the pursuit due to the new police reform laws.

Sometime after 8:47 p.m. on Saturday, the suspect ditched the bus and hitchhiked to Spokane, and then to Chewelah, according to police.

On Sunday around 6:53 p.m., the suspect allegedly stole a large front-end loader and drove it through his home, causing a vehicle to flip into the house.


The suspect was released from Western State psychiatric hospital early Saturday morning before the alleged thefts occurred.

Deputies said the suspect's wife fled the home that day when she learned her estranged husband may be nearby.

The suspect was arrested by the Chewelah Police Department.

The 39-year-old is being held on charges of theft of a motor vehicle, possession of a stolen vehicle, first-degree malicious mischief, domestic violence and attempting to elude police vehicle.
Aug 2nd 2021, 07:03 AM   #7
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Based on that article only prudent way forward is to outlaw hitchhiking...

On a serious note, police breaking off for lesser things is good. After all with proliferation of license plate readers, cameras and overall tracking of everyone practically, odds are that they could dig up and know one's commuting habits better than they do.
Aug 2nd 2021, 11:41 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by sicc
Police: Man drove through several counties in stolen school bus before crashing front-end loader into home
By Q13 News Staff


LEAVENWORTH, Wash. - A man from Stevens County has been arrested for allegedly stealing a school bus and driving it through multiple counties before stealing a front-end loader and crashing it into a home.

The Chelan County Sheriff's Office said the incident began around 7:40 p.m. on Saturday near Leavenworth when employees of Osprey Rafting witnessed a man drive away in the company's privately-owned yellow school bus.
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Officers were able to track the bus down and saw the driver run a red light near Monitor in Chelan County. Deputies tried to pull the bus over but the driver did not stop.

Washington’s new police reform laws no longer allow law enforcement to pursue a fleeing vehicle unless there is probable cause that a serious felony has occurred, so the deputies had to abandon the pursuit.

Douglas County sheriff’s deputies took over and followed the vehicle eastbound on SR 28 after it traveled through the city limits of Wenatchee and across the Senator George Sellar Bridge.

The Douglas County Sheriff's Office also stopped the pursuit due to the new police reform laws.

Sometime after 8:47 p.m. on Saturday, the suspect ditched the bus and hitchhiked to Spokane, and then to Chewelah, according to police.

On Sunday around 6:53 p.m., the suspect allegedly stole a large front-end loader and drove it through his home, causing a vehicle to flip into the house.


The suspect was released from Western State psychiatric hospital early Saturday morning before the alleged thefts occurred.

Deputies said the suspect's wife fled the home that day when she learned her estranged husband may be nearby.

The suspect was arrested by the Chewelah Police Department.

The 39-year-old is being held on charges of theft of a motor vehicle, possession of a stolen vehicle, first-degree malicious mischief, domestic violence and attempting to elude police vehicle.
my first reaction was "so?"...it seems to me "grand theft auto" would be a serious felony...if the officers involved didn't pursue they did so to..in complete ridiculous way..protest the new law..."well there's a new law..we'll just let this one go..fuck the public"...running red lights is not equivalent to speeding (close) or bad lane change or other actual insignificant law violations...the officers "sat on their hands" on purpose..not because they had to...btw..they did arrest him..nobody got hurt..so in one sense the new law worked...
Aug 2nd 2021, 01:54 PM   #9
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  Jan 2016
  NW Oregon

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree, a known lunatic running a red light in a stolen school bus is a severe, blatant and obvious threat to public safety; new law or no I'm not persuaded that these cops had any fear they'd get in trouble for pursuing, it sounds like a demonstrative refusal.
Aug 3rd 2021, 01:48 PM   #10
 
  May 2016
  PDX

  2016 ZX-10R; 2021 Z H2 SE
If I remember correctly, I believe the Portland PD recently adopted a "no pursuit" policy.

They are also trying their "no response," policy to some effect. As a N. PDX resident, I could sure try out my launch control several nights a week without fear of a ticket, and maybe make a little extra scratch to spend on Four Loko or something similarly nutritious.
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Aug 4th 2021, 06:55 AM   #11
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  Dec 2018
  Goldendale WA

  Classic Sportsters, Triumph & BSA
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Originally Posted by Syringe
If I remember correctly, I believe the Portland PD recently adopted a "no pursuit" policy.

They are also trying their "no response," policy to some effect. As a N. PDX resident, I could sure try out my launch control several nights a week without fear of a ticket, and maybe make a little extra scratch to spend on Four Loko or something similarly nutritious.
So what exactly is their role now?, other than call someone else to come in and clean up the mess after the fact which they've always done
Aug 4th 2021, 07:02 AM   #12
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  Jan 2016
  Battle Ground, WA

  2003 Z1000
I have always thought going w/ the flow of traffic over a speed limit everyone hates is the way to go.

Ever notice how EVERYONE wants to pass a motorcycle doing say only 5 over or even 10 over. It's like the kneejerk reactions to be behind a big rig.

Speaking of kneejerk: I've had to mentally hold back my leadfoot .....i noticed this mostly unconscious reaction (early on) to someone passing me for my speed to pickup. I would think most don't do it purposely, it just happens naturally. So when I'm trying to be a decent driver, I consciously make note of it.

Just the other day merging to I-205 south from the amphitheatre, I was cruising at a higher speed in the civic. 1/4 mile back my radar (ninja sense) picks up a cop gaining on me....I'm like *uck! trailed me for a couple miles and then veered off Padden Pwky....whew...thank god.

I thought maybe he did me a favor or this new law did? In any event, I was holding this speed and not accelerating to thrill, overcoming the fear of death
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Aug 4th 2021, 10:26 AM   #13
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  Feb 2016
  Bellingham

  Suzuki
2 months ago, I noticed a trooper up ahead after coming thru a twisty section on a 2 lane highway, recognized the vehicle, rolled off throttle, kept my distance. I wasn't terrorizing the road, just a nice after 6pm evening loop, enjoying the lack of traffic at that hour.

Trooper ahead proceeds to straddle the double yellow in front of me, lights ablaze...conveniently a dirt pullout appears on the right, I take it, he hadn't been behind me for more than 10 seconds, pulls up beside me, calls me out by first name & asks the reason for my speed? Seemed sorta dangerous for him to do that if a vehicle appeared while half way in the opposite lane.

I was in the process of removing my helmet, so just sorta shook my head like what? Just slow it down he said & was off.

My speedometer cable actually was broken or not functioning at the time, so I gather myself up in a phew moment & continue on my ride.

1/4 mile down the road, past a big sweeper to straightaway he pulled a Uee & is sitting on the shoulder, oh no I think, I don't know what my speed is with a malfunctioning speedo, ugh. Felt like I may have been 5 or so over, no movement on his part viewing from rearview mirror, then not a 1/4 mile farther down the road a Sheriff is heading up the highway in the opposite direction. Jeez.
Aug 5th 2021, 05:25 AM   #14
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  Dec 2018
  Goldendale WA

  Classic Sportsters, Triumph & BSA
Seems to be a heavier than normal WSP presence on 14 past few weeks....
Aug 5th 2021, 05:58 AM   #15
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Seems to be a heavier than normal WSP presence on 14 past few weeks....
July was Motorcycle Safety Emphasis Patrol month, where WSP looks at motorcycle behavior and, to a lesser extent, the behavior of vehicles that might but a rider more at risk. With 14 being both an east west corridor and a destination for "spirited" riders I am not surprised.
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