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Sep 3rd 2018, 09:24 AM   #1
 SalemCBR's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Salem, Oregon

  Cbr600rr and cbr1000rr
Thumbs up Vid: Motorcycle On Fire | 3 Crashes

https://youtu.be/qusIm3eZgYg

Really was a great ride, but riding at 70% on the street is a good call. Hope we dont see this next time.
Sep 3rd 2018, 11:12 AM   #2
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
Knee down on the street is not 70%. Thinning of the herd, I guess. I have to wince when I click on your videos. These would make great instructional videos—of what not to do.
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Sep 3rd 2018, 11:58 AM   #3
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  Jun 2018
  LaCenter Washington

  83 Suzuki GS 1100E
Down vids

Second that. Racetracks are there for a reason.
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Sep 3rd 2018, 12:47 PM   #4
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  Jan 2016
  Salem, Oregon

  Cbr600rr and cbr1000rr
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Originally Posted by Transported
Knee down on the street is not 70%. Thinning of the herd, I guess. I have to wince when I click on your videos. These would make great instructional videos—of what not to do.
Yeah, thats pretty much what I said. Glad to hear you always go the speed limit and never wheelie. If we all ride within 70% we will see less wrecks. Yes.

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Second that. Racetracks are there for a reason.
Not everyone can budget for it very well. But wish we all could do it more.

My videos are often the most naughty 8 minutes of an 8 hour ride. I think if any of you came on our rides you would see we are not the devil hooligans we are made out as.

Edited by SalemCBR on Sep 3rd 2018 at 01:06 PM
Sep 3rd 2018, 02:51 PM   #5
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
Frequent crashes is what caused rifts in our Portland forum, I think.

We began to have crashes on nearly every ride and some wanted to assign blame. The online shitstorm would go on and on. Then fewer wanted to take responsibility for a ride or be responsible if a ride went awry. And finally, when serious injuries and more occurred, I think many had enough, as ride leader or follower.

It makes me pause before thinking of posting a ride.

And yeah, I have been known to not color within the lines. So when I shudder at your videos, you can be pretty sure that I am seeing something quite extraordinary.
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Sep 3rd 2018, 06:24 PM   #6
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  Jan 2016
  Salem, Oregon

  Cbr600rr and cbr1000rr
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Frequent crashes is what caused rifts in our Portland forum, I think.

We began to have crashes on nearly every ride and some wanted to assign blame. The online shitstorm would go on and on. Then fewer wanted to take responsibility for a ride or be responsible if a ride went awry. And finally, when serious injuries and more occurred, I think many had enough, as ride leader or follower.

It makes me pause before thinking of posting a ride.

And yeah, I have been known to not color within the lines. So when I shudder at your videos, you can be pretty sure that I am seeing something quite extraordinary.
We didn't have many crashes on our rides but started to see a lack of gear and poorly maintained bikes and stopped opening them to the public.

We have still had them from time to time. Rode with the westside portland guys. Seems like a lot of the issue is guys that know the road and are skilled vs. New riders with the chase. Each rider has to choose their acceptable pace.
Sep 3rd 2018, 06:35 PM   #7
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  Feb 2016
  Gig Harbor

Assuming it was all one ride and all the bikes that I counted at the start (18 or so) participated, and we saw 3 crash, that's a 17% casualty rate for the event.

That is an unacceptable casualty rate in combat.
Sep 3rd 2018, 07:56 PM   #8
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  Jan 2016
  Salem, Oregon

  Cbr600rr and cbr1000rr
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Assuming it was all one ride and all the bikes that I counted at the start (18 or so) participated, and we saw 3 crash, that's a 17% casualty rate for the event.

That is an unacceptable casualty rate in combat.
Well, they didnt die and we are not in combat but obviously its more than the goal of 0%.
Sep 3rd 2018, 10:28 PM   #9
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  Feb 2016
  Gig Harbor

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Well, they didnt die and we are not in combat but obviously its more than the goal of 0%.
Casualties are not just deaths.

And, the fact that you aren't in combat was the point of my post. Military units in combat under fire by an enemy who is actively trying to kill them would consider a 17% casualty rate to be unacceptably high.

You guys were just out for a motorcycle ride on a nice day and had 3 out of 18 crash.
Sep 3rd 2018, 10:40 PM   #10
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  Jul 2018
  Mill Creek

  06 SV650S
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Originally Posted by Transported
Knee down on the street is not 70%. Thinning of the herd, I guess. I have to wince when I click on your videos. These would make great instructional videos—of what not to do.
What should I not do? I don't get it. It looked like they were all riding at 70% to me. What makes you think knee down isn't 70% for some people? Seems like they SHOULD have their knee down, holy cow, can you imagine what would happen if they were gripping the tank?
Sep 3rd 2018, 10:50 PM   #11
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  Jul 2018
  Mill Creek

  06 SV650S
So that second cam was doing 57 and dropped to 33 in the turn. The front guy wasn't going that fast, Max double it? So this is not knee dragging. What happened to the first guy that went off? Looks like he just panicked and could have used some trail-braking practice and that was a decreasing radius turn that seems like he should have picked a late apex line? it looks like he forced his bike down by pushing it lower. Classic twist of the wrist material. The second guy bit it hard, overloaded front tire, target locked on the first guy and in less than a second it was too late? Could he have looked away and ahead through the turn.

I don't agree with this being a "knee dragging shenanigan video" as some of you are saying. This looks to me like a spirited ride that was victim to some unfortunate SR's. Stay safe. I'll go down with you someday.
Sep 4th 2018, 12:13 AM   #12
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
Seventy percent means you still have a lot in the tank you aren’t using. That is the slack you leave for the unforeseen. Knee dragging is normally considered fully committed. If something happens at full lean, say sudden gravel or someone in your lane, where do you go?

I think above 70% is for the track.

And it is funny how “unfortunate SRs” multiply when you kick it above 70%.

Hey. You are big boys. Don’t let me spoil your fun. Calculated risk, right?
Sep 4th 2018, 04:16 AM   #13
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  Jan 2016
  Vancouver, WA

I would think it would be harder for an alpha rider to go slow than for a camel to slip through the eye of a needle, but that is just my personal experience from talking to a few fast riders.

If your brain thinks that fast, think how painful it is for these guys to be in traffic and everyone is moving 1/3 rd their brain speed.

hehehe.


discipline...easier said then done.

Edited by holypiston on Sep 4th 2018 at 04:56 AM Reason: slow down bitches so i can pass yer as.
Sep 4th 2018, 09:52 AM   #14
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  Sep 2017
  milwaukie oregon

  gsxr600 gsxr750 gsxr1000 i like gsxrs
This is the problem with group rides and why i dont like them, too many people of varing skill levels, not only are poeple likley to go off they can just as easily take you out from behind.... and eventualy it catches up with even the best of us. The cost of a few track days is not a legitimate reason to drag knee on the street, i spent less on 6 track days this summer than one hospital visit will cost, or one ambulace ride, or a new set of leathers and new bike bodywork? Hitting the track often even seems to quell the urge to ride fast on the street and improves you riding more than ripping on the street risking your life ever will, you meet great people, most all the organizationa are run very professionally and best of all there is an ambulance on site. I do watch your videos but much prefer to watch your track videos
Sep 4th 2018, 11:30 AM   #15
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  Jan 2016
  Salem, Oregon

  Cbr600rr and cbr1000rr
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Originally Posted by unicykle
This is the problem with group rides and why i dont like them, too many people of varing skill levels, not only are poeple likley to go off they can just as easily take you out from behind.... and eventualy it catches up with even the best of us. The cost of a few track days is not a legitimate reason to drag knee on the street, i spent less on 6 track days this summer than one hospital visit will cost, or one ambulace ride, or a new set of leathers and new bike bodywork? Hitting the track often even seems to quell the urge to ride fast on the street and improves you riding more than ripping on the street risking your life ever will, you meet great people, most all the organizationa are run very professionally and best of all there is an ambulance on site. I do watch your videos but much prefer to watch your track videos
Going to the track makes riding on the street seem kinda boring. Something about going 160 and hammering the corners make the street seem slow-mo. I would much prefer to be there were there isn't gravel and cars. You make some good points.
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