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Aug 1st 2020, 08:04 AM   #1
 SalemCBR's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Salem, Oregon

  Cbr600rr and cbr1000rr
Thumbs up Vid: Andrew's Crash at The Ridge

https://youtu.be/6qlY5pcdFys

We think the reason he went down was the lack of trail braking. Unloaded suspension giving the front end less traction. What do ya'll think?
Aug 1st 2020, 08:56 AM   #2
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  Feb 2016
  Bellingham

  Suzuki
What lap of the session was it?
I didn't notice the brake lever moving at all, before tipping in.
Aug 1st 2020, 09:38 AM   #3
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  Jan 2016
  Salem, Oregon

  Cbr600rr and cbr1000rr
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What lap of the session was it?
I didn't notice the brake lever moving at all, before tipping in.
Yes, i think he coasted in. It was maybe the 3rd lap?
Aug 1st 2020, 04:54 PM   #4
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  Jun 2016
  Kirkland, WA

  2011 Triumph Daytona 675 Track
Was this Monday the 27th? I thought I recognized your bike out there, I came up on you in the carousel on my white and red Daytona. That would be dope if you had that footage!
Aug 1st 2020, 07:18 PM   #5
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  Jan 2016
  Salem, Oregon

  Cbr600rr and cbr1000rr
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Was this Monday the 27th? I thought I recognized your bike out there, I came up on you in the carousel on my white and red Daytona. That would be dope if you had that footage!
Nah, 4th and 5th or I would have helped you out.
Aug 1st 2020, 09:11 PM   #6
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  Feb 2016
  Bellingham

  Suzuki
Maybe the front tire didn't have the load or the heat to coast thru 8a on the 3rd lap, like you stated...seems a bike like that might behave better in that situation.

What tires n pressure was he running?

I know nothing really, just speculating, but if he's wasn't asking much of the tires the laps prior, maybe they weren't up to temp.
Aug 1st 2020, 10:13 PM   #7
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  Jan 2016
  Salem, Oregon

  Cbr600rr and cbr1000rr
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Maybe the front tire didn't have the load or the heat to coast thru 8a on the 3rd lap, like you stated...seems a bike like that might behave better in that situation.

What tires n pressure was he running?

I know nothing really, just speculating, but if he's wasn't asking much of the tires the laps prior, maybe they weren't up to temp.
S22 tires at 32/30. Hard to say with 100% certainty but I think it helps to talk about it and get ideas.
Aug 2nd 2020, 01:26 PM   #8
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  Jun 2016
  Kirkland, WA

  2011 Triumph Daytona 675 Track
One of the things that Ken Hill and others teach is lighter and longer on the brakes. Even if Andrew is sorta coasting into the corner, its always smart to practice the same techniques all the time.

Also, he needs to focus on one brake lever action per turn. In 6 he gets off the brakes way way way too early (40 second mark in video), and then potentially back on them. When you enter the corner you need to load the front tire, build pressure as you scrub off speed, ease pressure as you start and continue to add lean angle. You can damn near trail brake to the first apex cones in the Carousel.
Aug 2nd 2020, 03:15 PM   #9
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  Jan 2016
  Salem, Oregon

  Cbr600rr and cbr1000rr
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One of the things that Ken Hill and others teach is lighter and longer on the brakes. Even if Andrew is sorta coasting into the corner, its always smart to practice the same techniques all the time.

Also, he needs to focus on one brake lever action per turn. In 6 he gets off the brakes way way way too early (40 second mark in video), and then potentially back on them. When you enter the corner you need to load the front tire, build pressure as you scrub off speed, ease pressure as you start and continue to add lean angle. You can damn near trail brake to the first apex cones in the Carousel.
Well said. Agree 100%. I consider the ken hill podcasts and classes I have taken as the best info I can get on the subject.
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