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May 16th 2021, 09:17 PM   #1
 
  Dec 2020
  Vancouver

  Constantly changing..
Traction control?

I am shopping for a middleweight sport bike and trying to see how essential TC would be. I have been riding only when the road surface is dry.

Have you had a situation where TC saved your ass?

Or have you had a wipe out where TC could have prevented it?

Edited by SlimJim on May 16th 2021 at 09:21 PM
May 17th 2021, 06:51 PM   #2
 cgt1229's Avatar
 
  Feb 2016
  Bellingham

  Suzuki
Just get the Aprilia RS 660 & see if TC saves you or go analog & get a SV 650.

I know nothing about TC, though I do enjoy riding in the rain on occasion.
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May 17th 2021, 06:53 PM   #3
 
  May 2016
  Oregon

I wouldn't call it essential, but it sure is nice. Having a little bit of a safety net only makes it more fun in my opinion. Not all TC is created equal though, some are implemented better than others. Which bikes in particular are you thinking of?
May 17th 2021, 07:22 PM   #4
 
  Feb 2019
  San Juans

  Ape RSV4 & DRZ400
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just get the aprilia rs 660 & see if tc saves you or go analog & get a sv 650.
yes!
May 18th 2021, 08:34 AM   #5
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  Mar 2016
  Pasco, WA

  FJ-09, Versys 650 LT, SV650, YCF 155 SM
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Originally Posted by cgt1229
Just get the Aprilia RS 660 & see if TC saves you or go analog & get a SV 650.

I know nothing about TC, though I do enjoy riding in the rain on occasion.
You forgot about the new R7... I would prefer the R7 over the SV 650 and as usual an Ape is out of my price range.
May 18th 2021, 01:35 PM   #6
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2016 R1
Not sure a 1000 compares to a 600 for TC, but I do like the additional control with TC and combined ABS. Noticeably more competent machines.
May 18th 2021, 03:16 PM   #7
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  Mar 2016
  Pasco, WA

  FJ-09, Versys 650 LT, SV650, YCF 155 SM
I guess I forgot to mention my thoughts on TC. I have TC on my FJ-09 and only notice it engage when I'd like to wheelie and the stupid thing is turned on. I haven't felt it engage or seen light up on the dash in wet conditions or in gravel/dirt when I'm riding normally. I haven't noticed it on the track either, except, again, when the bike is wanting to wheelie. Every wipe out I've had has been losing the front end resulting in a lowside, TC would not have helped in any crash I've had.

I leave it on when at the track as a safety net but on the street I prefer to engage 1 wheel mode and I'm not ham fisting while leaned over so I turn it off pretty much every day. I would probably prefer my next bike to have it, but I'd really prefer on the fly turning it off, or have it allow wheelies but prevent slides. If I wasn't able to turn it off at all I wouldn't buy the bike.
May 18th 2021, 04:30 PM   #8
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  Feb 2016
  Bellingham

  Suzuki
I guess the OP didn't mention if buying new or used middleweight or cylinder quantity, but seems thousands could be saved buying older SV, CBR, FZR, YZF, R6, ZXR, Versys GSXR, Funduro, Weestrom, Duke 690, Royal Enfield, Husky, 675, Bonneville or Duc.

Discretion & right wrist control might be better than relying on electronics for crash avoidance. Spend the few saved bitcoin on the track-dirt or street, for further testing of bike/rider limits.

Began life with rotary dial phone technology-no call waiting invented yet.
May 18th 2021, 04:40 PM   #9
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  Jan 2016
  Hazel Dell, Wa

  Multistrada Pikes Peak, VFR800, VStrom 650, TE 610
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Originally Posted by SlimJim
I am shopping for a middleweight sport bike and trying to see how essential TC would be. I have been riding only when the road surface is dry.

Have you had a situation where TC saved your ass?

Or have you had a wipe out where TC could have prevented it?
So you recently bought an R3 and now you're looking for a 600ish bike? Why the change so soon???
Oh, and the best traction control is in your right wrist or head...
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May 19th 2021, 11:36 AM   #10
 
  May 2016
  PDX

  2016 ZX-10R; 2021 Z H2 SE
Getting good tires, keeping them properly inflated, and with a judicious right wrist, you should be pretty good in a middleweight without TC. That said, in very wet and/or cold conditions it sure might help you. Could help if you find patches of gravel, too.

The only time I've consistently had a TC intervene helpfully has been on wet track days -- at both the Ridge & Thunderhill. Although it rains a lot less at ORP, I feel the surface there is really grippy/abrasive and even riding in the rain there didn't provoke a TC response like the aforementioned tracks.

I really like the Metzeler M7RR tires - they have really been excellent in all weather conditions, and at wet track days. Haven't tried the M9RRs yet, but likely will this summer.
Jun 6th 2021, 11:52 PM   #11
 
  Dec 2020
  Vancouver

  Constantly changing..
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So you recently bought an R3 and now you're looking for a 600ish bike? Why the change so soon???
Oh, and the best traction control is in your right wrist or head...
Well, I bought and sold my second bike last month.
It was a Triumph Trident 660.
It was a nice bike with TC and riding modes but the upright position was not comfortable for me because i had to keep my back straight.
But i loved the ~45 ft lbs of torque that came on early at 3600 rpm.
I still have the R3. Between the two bikes I have put on about 1700 miles.
Jun 8th 2021, 07:17 PM   #12
 
  Dec 2020
  Vancouver

  Constantly changing..
https://photos.app.goo.gl/N8V2qtnjg7rfadPD6


I ended up buying a Vitpilen 401 yesterday. It is 373cc with 42hp so it is not powerful enough to need TC.
It is so fun to ride.

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Jun 9th 2021, 12:09 PM   #13
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  Jan 2016
  PDX

  An Ape and a Husky
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Originally Posted by SlimJim
https://photos.app.goo.gl/N8V2qtnjg7rfadPD6


I ended up buying a Vitpilen 401 yesterday. It is 373cc with 42hp so it is not powerful enough to need TC.
It is so fun to ride.

Nice bike! Congrats!
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Jun 9th 2021, 06:39 PM   #14
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  Jan 2016
  Spanaway

Watched a ZX14R with TC engaged (lowest intervention) go down in wet conditions after a ham fisted throttle application. Not sure if TC reacts fast enough to stop most slippery conditions? Maybe different bikes and manufactures have different interventions?
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Jun 10th 2021, 08:40 AM   #15
 
  May 2016
  PDX

  2016 ZX-10R; 2021 Z H2 SE
Well, TC won't save you always. Certainly level 1 on my ZX-10 does allow some wheel spin & small wheelies. If the tires I'm on are particularly grippy, such as slicks at the track, level 1 can be pretty snappy in its intervention, as you're generally using a lot of power to break the rear loose.

I'd imagine a similar effect with the ZX-14 - lots of power to break it loose, then an abrupt intervention by TC to try and get the bike under control and the rider loses it.

I've had the front end slammed down pretty hard with TC before when picking up a small wheelie with a lot of throttle. One time the intervention was so abrupt that I thought I ran out of fuel (light came on that lap).

That said, it's generally pretty smooth when it does intervene.
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