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Nov 14th 2018, 06:27 PM   #16
 mgfchapin's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Kirkland, WA

  Daytona 675R
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Originally Posted by Flyboymedic
I'm going to stoke the internet fire and say that most riders aren't going 200mph and don't need a helmet to survive that kind of speed and impact where a DOT rated thermoplastic helmet has been shown to be more forgiving at lower speeds than a fiberglass composite. Of course this comes up regularly and something I think about every now and then.
While the 200mph thing is true, think of it more like a single-impact crash or a multi-impact one. On the street, you’re more likely to sustain a single impact. On the track, multiple impacts are likely. As the article I posted says, plastic helmets are “fine”for the street, but I don’t want a helmet that’s “fine.” My street and race helmets are both Arais because I want something that has been empirically tested over and over again.
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Nov 14th 2018, 06:40 PM   #17
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  Jan 2016
  Hazel Dell, Wa

  Honda VFR800, Husqvarna TE 610, Ducati Hypermotard 1100S
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Originally Posted by Sentinel
99% of the whole helmet safety thing is simply that you are actually wearing a helmet, that fits, and is in good shape, and has either test rating.

The remaining 1% is just for internet sophistry.
I'll break it down for you-
A) It's basically winter, what else are we going to do when we're not riding?
B) Not a lot of discussion these days compared to when the site first started, and especially compared to the old site.
Nov 14th 2018, 07:09 PM   #18
 
  Oct 2018
  Grants Pass

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Originally Posted by Flyboymedic
Got any sources to back that up?
Nothing i can think of offhand that i can link to..
Buuut
I did just buy a new bike (my 6th) and new gear (looked to see what if anything changed in the last four years as far as materials/processes)
so i read a lot of aritcles watched some,
and went with one of my old standbys
AGV
And,
I've been around motorcycles long enough to have formed an opinion by now
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Edited by Warhawk Gt on Nov 14th 2018 at 07:10 PM Reason: Spelling doh!
Nov 14th 2018, 07:14 PM   #19
 
  Oct 2018
  Grants Pass

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Originally Posted by Flyboymedic
That looks like a good read for later on. Thanks!
I'm going to stoke the internet fire and say that most riders aren't going 200mph and don't need a helmet to survive that kind of speed and impact where a DOT rated thermoplastic helmet has been shown to be more forgiving at lower speeds than a fiberglass composite. Of course this comes up regularly and something I think about every now and then.

I'd much rather have a helmet that spreads the force of an impact (any impact) through IT'S fibers than ringing my skull like a bell
Nov 15th 2018, 01:46 AM   #20
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  Jan 2016
  Rome

  SV650S, CRF450R, and others
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Originally Posted by Warhawk Gt
I'd much rather have a helmet that spreads the force of an impact (any impact) through IT'S fibers than ringing my skull like a bell
I've rung my bell twice in Bells (and destroyed them)...And I just bought another this last time! It's my 4th Bell and the 9th helmet I've owned. I like the MIPS technology and I hope it saves someone else from the concussions and head trauma I've been through.

Wear a quality helmet. You have a better chance of living through accidents!
Nov 15th 2018, 02:07 AM   #21
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  Feb 2016
  Bellingham, WA

  Yamaha FZ-07
To keep it balanced here is the response from Icon:

Icon is aware of the recent statements regarding Icon helmets initially published as a result of the Arroyo Seco Motorcyclist Association (ASMA) (Deming, New Mexico) vote to ban Icon helmet use at their association sanctioned events (although they are not banned for use at the Arryo Seco Race Track or for any other U.S. racetrack or event).


Icon disagrees in the strongest terms possible with the initial statements of 12-November-2018 published on the ASMA Facebook page and subsequently reported on Roadracingworld.com and in the many social media reposts and comments that followed.

All Icon helmets regardless of construction and materials are tested and certified according to UN ECE Regulation 22.05 (the EU helmet standard) and Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 218 (FMVSS 218 the U.S. DOT helmet standard). To meet the requirements ECE 22.05 batch testing is required for each production run to confirm consistency and quality.

Icon is concerned for the safety of our riding family. Although it is not common knowledge, Icon is deeply involved internationally in the development of testing and certification procedures and standards for motorcyclist’s protective products not just helmets, both in the U.S and the EU and is one of only two U.S. motorcyclist apparel companies that participates in the rule making process at the international level. Icon additionally strives to work with industry partners who share Icon’s vision.

Icon – Designed by riders just like you in the Pacific Northwest. We ride just like you we crash just like you and we do it so that you can continue to Ride Among Us.

Justin Knauer – General Manager ICON Motosports
Nov 15th 2018, 06:47 AM   #22
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
I crashed at about 30 mph with a Scorpion Snell rated fiberglass full face helmet by high siding and landing on my face and chest. I received a severe concussion that took a year to recover from. If I had been going much faster, I likely would be a vegetable.

It is nonsense to believe you survive hitting something at 200 mph. So, you want to make a helmet to absorb impacts that you can survive, like 30 mph impact-speed crashes. These are also the speeds most crashes occur at.
Nov 15th 2018, 02:24 PM   #23
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  Jan 2016
  Muklilteo, WA

  Suzuki DL1000, Honda XR650R, KTM 250 XC-W
First, all helmets are plastic, some are thermoplastic, like the Polycarbonate Icon in question, and some are fiber reinforced thermoset plastic (composite), like the higher end fiberglass and Carbon fiber helmets.

Second, the organization in question has just revised their ban to include all Polycarbonate helmets, not just Icon. Their reasoning is that the Poly helmets may not show external damage after an impact. I prefer composite helmets. Here is the release:

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...on-helmet-ban/
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