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May 3rd 2021, 03:48 PM   #16
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  Jan 2016
  NW Oregon

You can keep your caveman EVs, which one day will be remembered as the floppy disks of transportation. I'm holding out for a dilithium-mediated matter/antimatter reaction bike.
May 6th 2021, 02:08 PM   #17
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  Jan 2016
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  An Ape and a Husky
Quote:
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It's probably good that I am as old as I am. I'm a modern day Luddite in this world of solar power, electric transportation, watches that monitor your health, phones that are more capable than the computers I made parts for fifty years ago. I see myself as the cowboy who looked at his surroundings at the beginning of the twentieth century and could never envision trading his horse for a car.
I imagine this is how every generation looks at the following one coming into it's own.

There is one constant my friend, change.
May 6th 2021, 02:19 PM   #18
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  Jan 2016
  Buckley

  '98 HD FXD, '19 636 track
Change? I hate it. It weighs the pockets down. I empty out my pockets nightly and have collection jars for change. Carburetors? Love them.

Chop
May 6th 2021, 03:16 PM   #19
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  Jan 2016
  Silverdale, WA

  848evo, DRZ400SM,
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Originally Posted by WarpShatner7
You can keep your caveman EVs, which one day will be remembered as the floppy disks of transportation. I'm holding out for a dilithium-mediated matter/antimatter reaction bike.
I'll be waiting for this with Air Highways.....



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May 6th 2021, 04:00 PM   #20
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2016 R1
I know it’s a hoax. But in the fantasy world of Global Warming, I think change will be thrust on us in a couple of years, like a pizza being shoved into an oven. The best we can do is make changes now to get the benefit of a planet that is survivable.

The one benefit of the pandemic is that it showed us all that major fast change is surprisingly possible.
May 7th 2021, 08:55 AM   #21
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Change? I hate it. It weighs the pockets down. I empty out my pockets nightly and have collection jars for change. Carburetors? Love them.

Chop
See...I don't care for carburetors. In one hand very ingenious for the time, on the other an enormous pain in the ass. I don't have to take my fuel injected car or bike half way apart, time after time, when I'm tuning it, but sit on my ass in front of a laptop. I still have one carb'ed bike and even though it's dialed in now, it did literally take at least dozen times pulling it apart to get the carb out to make minute changes.
May 7th 2021, 02:18 PM   #22
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  Apr 2017
  Renton, Wa

  GSXR 1000
A recent study said that 8/10 people who bought E Cars regretted it cause charging it was a pain in the ass.

This article is a little miss leading, some gas stations will run out but its not like all gas is going to be gone. We have plenty of gas
May 7th 2021, 02:35 PM   #23
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2016 R1
Charging is difficult?

Charging takes a few minutes: 1) take the cord out of the trunk, 2) plug one end into a socket (I charge at home at night to get the best rates) 3) plug the other end into the car.

No waiting in line. No waiting forever to be served by a pumper in Oregon. No gas smell. No transaction time. A tenth of the expense. A good feeling rather than shitty feeling knowing you are sparing the planet and all of our lungs.

Every time I see someone pulling into a gas station, I snicker to myself.
May 7th 2021, 05:41 PM   #24
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Even though electric cars are the future, unless you are just commuting around town and can leave the car at a charging station for hours, or over night, they can be a pain in the ass. This is the fact of the matter till batteries and charging infrastructure can get close to convenience of gas. Once that is here, and it will be, electric just makes a lot more sense from many standpoints. As much as I'm impressed with Tesla's cars and simplicity of electric powered vehicles, I need something that can go for hundreds of miles away from the beaten path.

For instance, recently my brother and his friend went from Portland to Coeur d'Alene, roughly a 6 hour drive, and it took them a day and a half in a Model 3, because fast chargers were already in use and trickle chargers were the only thing available.
May 7th 2021, 07:05 PM   #25
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
There is one other issue with electric cars. As a percentage of the total cars sold of all brands it is a statistically insignificant number, but... From what I have read, lithium-ion fires are a bitch to extinguish. If I bought one I would park it on the driveway.

Edited by 307T on May 8th 2021 at 07:56 AM
May 7th 2021, 07:43 PM   #26
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2016 R1
It does take a while to catch on.

When I became vegan six years ago, about 1% of Americans were vegan. Now it is maybe 5%, and in a place like Portland, it is probably several times that. And, the general population is eating more plant based. Hybrids, if you will.

This is akin to electric vehicles, where about 2% of vehicles sold each year are electric, but many more are buying high-mileage hybrids, and in a place like Multnomah Village where I live it seems about a quarter of the cars are hybrids or full electric, like Teslas, Prius, Volts, Leafs, Bolts, and Fiats.
May 8th 2021, 08:10 AM   #27
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Fast charge battery with a capacity to rival a tank of gas in mileage will be one of the last nails in the coffin for ICE vehicles.

I do appreciate all the modern electric vehicle beta testers though.
May 12th 2021, 09:51 PM   #28
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  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

  SV650S Silver - HD 1250 Hammer Sportster w/Screaming Eagle stuff - GSXR-750 K12
The Bolt always stays charged and can go 250 or so miles, farther than I ever drive in one day. If somehow I run it down to near nothing, 240V @ 30A is 8 hours to fill it...as I sleep. I don't stay up nights and watch it...lol...

It's 60kWh at 11 cents per kW. So a whopping $6.66 to go roughly 250 miles.

My Suburban will go exactly 14 miles on $2.89 (update $3.15) in gas...The odometer reads 215K miles. This car has burnt through $39,000-$44,000 in gasoline in its lifespan

The maths say the truck stays planted 99% of the time...

I bought a used 2011 Leaf for $4400. The DEQ will rebate me $2500 of that since I bought from a DEALER. This means the car cost me a withering $1900, less than most decent electric bicycles and roughly the same range. The car body/interior is showroom, but it has a shit battery with a range of 45 miles...tops...even less if you turn the heater on...my kid drives it to work which currently is a 5-6 mile roundtrip. He's in A CAR with airbags and a roof and windows and shit...
Transported and FidalgoRob like this.

Edited by ShootPDX on May 19th 2021 at 01:27 PM
May 13th 2021, 04:38 AM   #29
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2016 R1
It is true about the rebates and tax breaks. There is the $2,500 rebate by Oregon and another $5,000 in Federal tax write off. For my used Fiat, this is three quarters of the cost of the vehicle. So the $600 registration fee is pretty insignificant. I don’t know how you can not go electric with the value involved.
May 13th 2021, 10:59 AM   #30
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  Mar 2016
  Pasco, WA

  FJ-09, Versys 650 LT, SV650, YCF 155 SM
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Originally Posted by Transported
Charging is difficult?

Charging takes a few minutes: 1) take the cord out of the trunk, 2) plug one end into a socket (I charge at home at night to get the best rates) 3) plug the other end into the car.

No waiting in line. No waiting forever to be served by a pumper in Oregon. No gas smell. No transaction time. A tenth of the expense. A good feeling rather than shitty feeling knowing you are sparing the planet and all of our lungs.

Every time I see someone pulling into a gas station, I snicker to myself.
It's cool you're passionate about EV, but you're coming off as condescending towards anyone who is not yet on the EV train.

No waiting in line.
I've never waited in line for gas, but I have seen Supercharging stations full. What line are you referring to? The people who only get gas at Costco??

No waiting forever to be served by a pumper in Oregon.
I haven't done this since they started allowing people to pump their own gas a couple of years ago...

No gas smell.
I like the smell of gas and love the smell of race gas.

No transaction time.
Can't say I've ever used a charging station but I believe you still need to run a card like at a pump, no?

A tenth of the expense.
Sure, this is true. Also 2-3 times the initial purchase price though! Last time I did the math it would take 7 years to SAVE money on a $14k Zero when compared to my $4k motorcycle and that was with California rebates and high gas prices.

A good feeling rather than shitty feeling knowing you are sparing the planet and all of our lungs.

Again, like the smell of gas, this isn't the same for everyone. I put solar on my roof to save money on my electricity bill. I'll eventually get an EV for the same reason once prices come down. I get no personal save the fishies feelings on this, sorry.
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