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Feb 13th 2016, 10:43 AM   #31
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  Jan 2016
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Originally Posted by wooden
...I simply don't understand riding without a license - you're risking fines and whatnot that will cost just as much as the license does. I find it hard to believe anyone here has gone 20+ years without at least getting pulled over, and if you couldn't produce a license, I doubt there are many cops who'd just let you go...
Here is the problem. You are attempting to interject logic and sound reasoning into a thread completely bereft of either.

The notion that someone owned and rode motorcycles illegally for 22 years because they could not afford to do it legally is completely absurd and ridiculous. We are led to believe the bikes could not be afforded either. That the only way they were owned or obtained is through the op's accomplished skills as a barterer.

If there is even a shred of truth to that argument, then it follows that the op could have bartered his way into a few bucks at some point and time in the early/mid-90's near the beginning of his riding career. After all, he traded items around and ended up with bikes that cost the rest of us thousands of dollars. Ending up with a little cash for licensing fees would be small potatoes.

Clearly it was a choice to not ride legally until now. Or later this month as it were. We may as call a spade a spade. This truly is my issue with the entire thread. There is never anything other than ourselves preventing us from doing what we want or should do.

op/silvie my apologies for coming across so harsh and seemingly full of judgement. We are all adults here and, yah, the world has no shortage of bigger problems than un-endorsed motorcycle riders terrorizing the streets/highways of the Pacific NW region of the you-ess of effing ay.
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Feb 13th 2016, 01:35 PM   #32
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Here is the problem. You are attempting to interject logic and sound reasoning into a thread completely bereft of either.

The notion that someone owned and rode motorcycles illegally for 22 years because they could not afford to do it legally is completely absurd and ridiculous. We are led to believe the bikes could not be afforded either. That the only way they were owned or obtained is through the op's accomplished skills as a barterer.

If there is even a shred of truth to that argument, then it follows that the op could have bartered his way into a few bucks at some point and time in the early/mid-90's near the beginning of his riding career. After all, he traded items around and ended up with bikes that cost the rest of us thousands of dollars. Ending up with a little cash for licensing fees would be small potatoes.

Clearly it was a choice to not ride legally until now. Or later this month as it were. We may as call a spade a spade. This truly is my issue with the entire thread. There is never anything other than ourselves preventing us from doing what we want or should do.

op/silvie my apologies for coming across so harsh and seemingly full of judgement. We are all adults here and, yah, the world has no shortage of bigger problems than un-endorsed motorcycle riders terrorizing the streets/highways of the Pacific NW region of the you-ess of effing ay.
its all good and i agree dont get me wrong, i hated that i waited this long, my reasons may be odd but it again was mostly a matter of time, (also take in mind the 22 years of riding is a bit of a joke , i started riding at 4 y/o and grew up riding on the streets in the country (very common) and yes there was times i might have been able to get my endorsement sooner but for me again it was all a matter of priority, money and timing. might i also add im disabled , and un-employed / self employed and collect NO disability or anything like that.

but in the end again i still agree , i REALLY should have gotten my endorsement sooner. and if i had a better brain i would have
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Feb 13th 2016, 05:27 PM   #33
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  Jan 2016
  Beijing

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I rode on the street for many years before finally getting my endorsement; it was never a matter of money, as getting an endorsement in WA doesn't involve patronizing a State sponsored monopoly. It was laziness: simple, utter laziness.


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Feb 13th 2016, 05:58 PM   #34
 
  Jan 2016
  Kennewick

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Is a class required to get an endorsement or is it optional to help pass the endorsement tests?
Feb 13th 2016, 06:13 PM   #35
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You take the class to get your endorsement. You can just take the tests at the same place, but it costs almost as much as the class - $85 vs $125. I rode years ago so I knew the basics. Even so the class was absolutely worth it when I got back in the saddle a few years ago. Basically they teach you how to pass the test, so it's kind of a no brainer to pay the extra 40 bones.
Feb 13th 2016, 06:16 PM   #36
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Is a class required to get an endorsement?
Oregon

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or is it optional to help pass the endorsement tests?
Washington
Feb 13th 2016, 07:12 PM   #37
 
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Oregon



Washington
Thanks for the clarification, I didn't think a class was required for Washington, didn't know about Oregon.
Feb 13th 2016, 08:59 PM   #38
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signed up for the endorsement class after 22 years

It isn't that the class is required for getting the license, but the WA DoL has stopped doing the testing for all licenses and permits, including for car drivers. To get a license in WA you have to go to an approved driver training school to take even the written test. And that includes for getting your learner's permit. It has raised costs significantly.

Prior to this it only cost you if you passed the test. Failing just meant that, failing. Now you have to pay, up front, to take the test. Then, if you pass, you go and pay the DoL some more to actually get the license. If you fail the test you have something like 30 days to take it again for free. If you can't make that timeline you have to pay all over again.

So, learner's permit = $50 for test (pass or fail) + $15 to DMV for actual permit. So a min. of $65.

Skills test (alone, pass or fail) = $70 + $15-$27 to DoL if you pass for actual license. So $85-$97.

Which makes a total of $150-$160 to get a license. And that's only if you pass the tests. That can double real quick if you don't pass and can't reschedule within the 30 days. And factor in to do this you must use your own motorcycle (not an option if it has modified exhaust, plate mount or turn signal medications, which rules out my bike because it has all three).

The reality is that the cost to get an endorsement in WA is nearly triple, at minimum, from what it was when the DoL did the testing and you only payed if you passed.

True it is slightly cheaper to take the BRC, but again only if you pass the first time or can reschedule in that 30 day period. Otherwise you are back to paying that $70+ testing fee.

(These numbers are the minimum prices quoted by Puget Sound Safety's website and DoL)

So, yeah, I regret not doing it sooner. And one of the biggest reasons is how much money I could have saved had I done it before the DoL stopped testing.


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Feb 13th 2016, 09:50 PM   #39
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  Jan 2016
  Beijing

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Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
It isn't that the class is required for getting the license, but the WA DoL has stopped doing the testing for all licenses and permits, including for car drivers. To get a license in WA you have to go to an approved driver training school to take even the written test. And that includes for getting your learner's permit. It has raised costs significantly.

Prior to this it only cost you if you passed the test. Failing just meant that, failing. Now you have to pay, up front, to take the test. Then, if you pass, you go and pay the DoL some more to actually get the license. If you fail the test you have something like 30 days to take it again for free. If you can't make that timeline you have to pay all over again.

So, learner's permit = $50 for test (pass or fail) + $15 to DMV for actual permit. So a min. of $65.

Skills test (alone, pass or fail) = $70 + $15-$27 to DoL if you pass for actual license. So $85-$97.

Which makes a total of $150-$160 to get a license. And that's only if you pass the tests. That can double real quick if you don't pass and can't reschedule within the 30 days. And factor in to do this you must use your own motorcycle (not an option if it has modified exhaust, plate mount or turn signal medications, which rules out my bike because it has all three).

The reality is that the cost to get an endorsement in WA is nearly triple, at minimum, from what it was when the DoL did the testing and you only payed if you passed.

True it is slightly cheaper to take the BRC, but again only if you pass the first time or can reschedule in that 30 day period. Otherwise you are back to paying that $70+ testing fee.

(These numbers are the minimum prices quoted by Puget Sound Safety's website and DoL)

So, yeah, I regret not doing it sooner. And one of the biggest reasons is how much money I could have saved had I done it before the DoL stopped testing.


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Wow... I haven't kept up on WA DOL... when did that change? I did my endorsement (I think less than 10 years ago) and just took the ride test at the DOL office. It certainly didn't cost $100 all in... I think all told it was more like $50.
Feb 14th 2016, 06:55 AM   #40
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Originally Posted by galenernest
Wow... I haven't kept up on WA DOL... when did that change? I did my endorsement (I think less than 10 years ago) and just took the ride test at the DOL office. It certainly didn't cost $100 all in... I think all told it was more like $50.
It all came about in the 2011-2012 session when HB 1635 authorized third party testing by approved training organizations. The underlying premise was "customer service" at DOL offices, eliminating the backlog by moving the testing to professional training operations.

The increased costs came about during implementation. The training organizations normally contract with their instructors on a per class basis. Additional costs were incurred to bring certified personnel in to provide the third party testing as a separate function from conducting training.
Feb 14th 2016, 09:43 AM   #41
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  Poulsbo, WA

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Quote:
So, learner's permit = $50 for test (pass or fail) + $15 to DMV for actual permit. So a min. of $65.

Skills test (alone, pass or fail) = $70 + $15-$27 to DoL if you pass for actual license. So $85-$97.

Which makes a total of $150-$160 to get a license. And that's only if you pass the tests. That can double real quick if you don't pass and can't reschedule within the 30 days. And factor in to do this you must use your own motorcycle (not an option if it has modified exhaust, plate mount or turn signal medications, which rules out my bike because it has all three).
That might indicate it's worthwhile to shop around. My experience was a couple years ago so things may have changed a bit. The place I took the class (Kitsap) currently charges $35 for the written alone, $50 for the skill test. They do require a stock exhaust system on your bike. This is extra funny because the people who require the noise abatement own a private airport next door, with houses on the taxiway.

For the class they do provide a bike. Also I note that they make some issue of there only being so many subsidized spaces in each class, which makes a whopping $130 difference. You can get a subsidized space if you have a WA license or military ID. I kinda doubt anyone in my class paid more than the $125 subsidized rate.
Feb 14th 2016, 03:21 PM   #42
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  Beijing

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Originally Posted by Texasl
It all came about in the 2011-2012 session when HB 1635 authorized third party testing by approved training organizations. The underlying premise was "customer service" at DOL offices, eliminating the backlog by moving the testing to professional training operations.

The increased costs came about during implementation. The training organizations normally contract with their instructors on a per class basis. Additional costs were incurred to bring certified personnel in to provide the third party testing as a separate function from conducting training.
Good to know, thanks for the info. I do remember that I had to wait about a month to take the test at the DOL, but that didn't bother me at the time.

So, if I understand it, a customer has to take the exam at an authorized third party testing center/motorcycle school and then visit the DOL office to get the license... in terms of customer service, it seems to have gotten worse, haha.
Feb 14th 2016, 07:43 PM   #43
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

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That is exactly how it works, for all learner's permits and licenses. The WA DoL doesn't do any testing anymore.


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Feb 15th 2016, 09:22 AM   #44
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At least the testing is being done by people who are actually knowledgeable. And the wait at DOL is just like the wait to renew a license.

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Feb 15th 2016, 01:32 PM   #45
 
  Jan 2016
  Olympia, WA

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This is the highest quality shitpost i've ever seen, very underrated.
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