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Dec 13th 2018, 11:27 AM   #16
 WarpShatner7's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Portland

When I was a teenager an acquaintance, of the good friend of a good friend variety, went off a twisty exurban road without a helmet at night; with no recollection or witnesses they never determined why. Weeks in a coma, eventually made a full recovery, technically. Thing is, he was without exaggeration a different person after that.

Never let anyone tell you that consciousness doesn't reside in the brain, I've seen it in three different people, up close: him; a work colleague whose belayer fucked up while rock climbing; and a girl who got encephalitis from a mosquito bite. Brain damage, even if you live and regain full function, can still be like dying: like the original person moved out and someone else moved in.
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Dec 13th 2018, 11:36 AM   #17
 1shinysideup's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  600RR
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Originally Posted by PeteN95
Visit some other states, you are wrong.
yep, every time I go back to Chicago for work I'm blown away by people riding with no helmet, I will not be one of them, I'm also all for removing safety labels like, "don't drink Bleach and, do not eat Tide Pods."
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Dec 13th 2018, 12:25 PM   #18
 unicykle's Avatar
 
  Sep 2017
  milwaukie oregon

  gsxr600 gsxr750 gsxr1000 i like gsxrs
Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteN95
Visit some other states, you are wrong.
I agree, spent a few months in lake havasu arizona and i was the only person in a helmet and they looked down on me for it, saw some wheelies done no helmet, its not just the crash, ever taken a bee in the face at 65mph?
Dec 13th 2018, 01:33 PM   #19
 
  May 2016
  Milwaukie, OR

  2016 ZX-10R; 2004 DR-Z 400
Grew up in rural Iowa, moved out here in 2000. Iowa doesn't have a helmet law, and there's usually enough snow that bikes hibernate for at least 4 months (November - March or April).

First nice weekend every year is a bloodbath....partly because of preventable head injuries. The last full year I rode there (1999), the first weekend after Spring break was decent, and if memory serves there were 8 motorcycle deaths in the first 72 hours of decent riding weather that year. Supposedly, around half the incidents would have been survivable with a helmet, as they were generally one vehicle crashes.

2016 motorcycle deaths = 60 in Iowa
53 in Oregon

3.1 M people in IA
4.1 M people in OR

As another post noted, ever take a hard-bodied insect in the chops at 60+ mph?

The argument I remember hearing most when I grew up was that helmets restrict peripheral vision.... My Dad always made me wear a helmet -- who needs to see? :-)

Guess I have a chip on my shoulder about it -- sorry for the ranting!
Dec 13th 2018, 02:06 PM   #20
 Alpine 318is's Avatar
 
  Jun 2016
  Kirkland, WA

  2011 Triumph Daytona 675
When I rode in Philly that didn't have a helmet law, there were more riders without helmets than riders with. I seriously blows my mind that anyone would consider that.
Dec 13th 2018, 02:57 PM   #21
 Parilla125's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

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Originally Posted by unicykle
I agree, spent a few months in lake havasu arizona and i was the only person in a helmet and they looked down on me for it, saw some wheelies done no helmet, its not just the crash, ever taken a bee in the face at 65mph?
Yes! When I was a kid, riding my dirtbike on loose gravel at about 60. No helmet or goggles. Took a bumblebee in my R eye. I am surprised I didn't go down. It smeared a streak down the right side of my head. Started wearing protection after that for the most part. Dang that hurt!
Dec 29th 2018, 01:09 PM   #22
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  Jan 2016
  Pullman, WA

  '73 CB350F, '86 VFR750F, '00 Aprilia RS250, '04 Aprilia RSV1000 R Factory(x2), '07 Star 1100 Classic
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpine 318is
When I rode in Philly that didn't have a helmet law, there were more riders without helmets than riders with. I seriously blows my mind that anyone would consider that.
"But...but...I gotta look like a badass! I can't do that with a helmet!"

You can't do that when your brains are spread across two lanes of I-95, either.
Dec 30th 2018, 07:18 AM   #23
 Sentinel's Avatar
 
  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2013 Kawasaki Ninja 1000 Harlequin
Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteN95
you are wrong.
no. i'm not.
Dec 30th 2018, 07:19 AM   #24
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2013 Kawasaki Ninja 1000 Harlequin
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Originally Posted by JohnnyM
your brains are spread across two lanes of I-95, either.
95?

wtf?
Dec 30th 2018, 10:14 AM   #25
 
  Jan 2016
  Portland

I visit states without helmet laws somewhat frequently, and it's common to see people on motorcycles without helmets. It's not everybody, but it's a good amount.
Dec 30th 2018, 10:47 AM   #26
 WarpShatner7's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Portland

In 2017, helmet use by motorcycle riders in states that do not require it was 43.7%. Source NHTSA.

https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api...ication/812512
Dec 30th 2018, 04:57 PM   #27
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2013 Kawasaki Ninja 1000 Harlequin
helmet laws reduce motorcycle theft. prolly the helmet requirement buggers the opportunist who might have a chance to snag a bike, but would get busted riding it home cuz he has no helmet - is what i'm thinking.
Jan 16th 2019, 02:54 PM   #28
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  Feb 2016
  Near Spokane

I worked in a Trauma center in Eastern WA for a few years and we would get regular admits from ID and MT from guys that did not wear helmets and had a get off of some kind. They brought them to us because we had the closest neurosurgeon, sometimes he helped, sometimes he didn't.

Do what you want just be prepared to have yourself or your family live with your decisions.


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Jan 16th 2019, 03:01 PM   #29
 Alpine 318is's Avatar
 
  Jun 2016
  Kirkland, WA

  2011 Triumph Daytona 675
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentinel
95?

wtf?
I-95 is the major freeway in Philadelphia
Jan 16th 2019, 09:45 PM   #30
 Buckwheet's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Tri-Cities, WA

  Aprilia, Honda, Suzuki & Triumph
Itís all about the Benjamins...
Insurance Companies statistically pay out less money for crashes to dead, helmetless motorcyclists than alive helmeted riders.
Let that sink in for awhile.
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