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Nov 23rd 2017, 11:20 AM   #61
 ShootPDX's Avatar
 
  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

  SV650S Silver, HD Sportster
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Originally Posted by unicykle
The reason I resist bar pressure to steer is it ads lean angle which reduces mechanical grip , hanging my weight off the bike letís me go around the same corner at the same speed With less lean angle
Yeah all of that is true...but...then your turn-in rate becomes slower than the second coming of Christ. You have to use bar pressure whether or not it reduces mechanical grip...Certainly you can move your body around...you just canít do any of that quickly enough to change anything appreciably...which is why you see people setting up their body position well before the corners in GP-level racing...then they steer in...

If youíre comfortable with your body hanging off the motorcycle you should be equally comfortable with leaning a little greater than 45į...Amount of mechanical grip on nice warm tires really doesnít change appreciably...regardless of your lean angle..tires actually distort & deflect really well...to keep virtually the same contact patch...

If you can get comfortable getting past 45į and feeling the tires spin or slide a little bit in the run-up & the run out of corners...Itís kinda like nirvana...
Nov 23rd 2017, 11:49 AM   #62
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  Sep 2017
  milwaukie oregon

  rc51 Aprilia rsv
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Originally Posted by ShootPDX
Yeah all of that is true...but...then your turn-in rate becomes slower than the second coming of Christ. You have to use bar pressure whether or not it reduces mechanical grip...Certainly you can move your body around...you just canít do any of that quickly enough to change anything appreciably...which is why you see people setting up their body position well before the corners in GP-level racing...then they steer in...

If youíre comfortable with your body hanging off the motorcycle you should be equally comfortable with leaning a little greater than 45į...Amount of mechanical grip on nice warm tires really doesnít change appreciably...regardless of your lean angle..tires actually distort & deflect really well...to keep virtually the same contact patch...

If you can get comfortable getting past 45į and feeling the tires spin or slide a little bit in the run-up & the run out of corners...Itís kinda like nirvana...

Now weíre getting to the same page the bar pressure I do use is to keep the bike upright while Iím hanging off pre corner and you simply let the bars go and it
Falls in , I find myself adding more weight to the inside peg to tighten the corner or adding throttle to widen. There is no one right way,riding styles differ, conditions change, some bikes it works other donít like it. I remember riding with my butt velcro to the seat then I started Doing track days, and instructor took a liking to me and I asked him why I couldnít get my knee down but was right on the edge of the tire and he said to hang off and initially it felt disconnected and not in control but now I canít ride any other way and I got
My knee down the very next scession and had tire To spare and killed
That set of knee slider that day
Nov 23rd 2017, 12:34 PM   #63
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  Feb 2016
  Rent'n

  2002 Honda RC51, 2005 Honda RC51
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I do use is to keep the bike upright while Iím hanging off pre corner and you simply let the bars go and it
Falls in , I find myself adding more weight to the inside peg to tighten the corner or adding throttle to widen.
You need to preface that riding a RC51 is unlike any bike in the universe. These bikes are like Christine; they are possessed and drive themselves.
Nov 23rd 2017, 01:12 PM   #64
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  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

  SV650S Silver, HD Sportster
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Originally Posted by unicykle
Now weíre getting to the same page the bar pressure I do use is to keep the bike upright while Iím hanging off pre corner and you simply let the bars go and it
Falls in , I find myself adding more weight to the inside peg to tighten the corner or adding throttle to widen. There is no one right way,riding styles differ, conditions change, some bikes it works other donít like it. I remember riding with my butt velcro to the seat then I started Doing track days, and instructor took a liking to me and I asked him why I couldnít get my knee down but was right on the edge of the tire and he said to hang off and initially it felt disconnected and not in control but now I canít ride any other way and I got
My knee down the very next scession and had tire To spare and killed
That set of knee slider that day
Yeah I think we are dovetailing here...a little bit... Just my concern is that youíre consciously aware of whatís happening and why. Thereís a great video... I think itís a Keith Code video...of a guy rolling on a bike and he literally gets up off the seat...stands with 100% of his weight on the right peg and absolutely nothing happens...The bike literally does not move 1mm in any direction...peg-weighting is a myth...if youíre turning...the steering head is moving...period! Thereís also no such thing as ďfalls inĒ...the steering head is moving...period. If youíre unaware of how or why this is happening...thatís not necessarily a good thing...especially when things go wrong...
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Nov 23rd 2017, 07:16 PM   #65
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  Sep 2017
  milwaukie oregon

  rc51 Aprilia rsv
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Originally Posted by ShootPDX
Yeah I think we are dovetailing here...a little bit... Just my concern is that youíre consciously aware of whatís happening and why. Thereís a great video... I think itís a Keith Code video...of a guy rolling on a bike and he literally gets up off the seat...stands with 100% of his weight on the right peg and absolutely nothing happens...The bike literally does not move 1mm in any direction...peg-weighting is a myth...if youíre turning...the steering head is moving...period! Thereís also no such thing as ďfalls inĒ...the steering head is moving...period. If youíre unaware of how or why this is happening...thatís not necessarily a good thing...especially when things go wrong...
Iím not disputing the bars move and need to but Iím saying if I have to force
The bars, I F-Kd up my turn in spot and Iím trying to make up for a mistake and they do ďfall inĒ my Bike has proof on both sides✌🏻
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Nov 23rd 2017, 07:43 PM   #66
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  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

  SV650S Silver, HD Sportster
Yes...now we're home...bar pressure is so minimal it seems non-existent...
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Nov 23rd 2017, 09:12 PM   #67
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  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

  SV650S Silver, HD Sportster
There was a guy in near southeast who used to do these little riding clinics in the park and he would gather all kinds of riders on cruisers and sportbikes...it was a gamut of riding experience & ages...the whole thing...He may still have these little get togethers.

Anyway the whole thing was chock-full of body-steering and peg-weighting how the track was so appreciably different from the road...and the road the track...and one bike so different from another...and at the end of listening to about 30 minutes...I was really concerned for the welfare of all the people who listened and absorbed all of this “information”....

And there’s just enough truth in some of it to make it sound really good I mean certainly bikes are a little bit different...rake & trail are different...the ground clearance is different... but....at the end of the day...all bikes...from a two-wheel Gyrodynamic standpoint...are identical...

So after hearing this and seeing these people go away kind of shaking their heads in agreement I was really nervous about how much potential misinformation might have been communicated that could potentially cause harm to some poor guy who believed when the Peterbilt was headed straight toward him...he could simply shift his weight a bit left...

So I apologize because I guess I get a little hypersensitive when I hear things that someone could listen to and take very seriously and they could use that information in a situation where they’re really trying to save their own lives on two wheels...It is by and large because of my experience with that guy...
Dec 12th 2017, 05:02 AM   #68
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  Jun 2016
  Centralia

  1990-VEEFER
Gahd. I was just sending nor id riders your vids from earlier... rest up...
Dec 12th 2017, 08:27 AM   #69
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  Jan 2016
  Salem, Oregon

  Cbr600rr and cbr1000rr
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Gahd. I was just sending nor id riders your vids from earlier... rest up...
Clip ons finally go on tonight. Plastic is out to paint.
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