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Nov 14th 2017, 07:06 AM   #31
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  Jan 2016
  Northeast Olalla

  07 Guzzi
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Originally Posted by Sentinel
Blah blah blah "...group rides..."

What was the "risky behavior" in the group that contributed to this crash?
It looks like things went south at 3:52 or 3:53 after the rider had first accelerated into the turn and then slowed from around 60 mph or so on what appears to be a pretty easy left-hand turn.
Crossed the fog line at 50ish.
Was it the car headed the other way that caused the whole thing? It seems like that guy was hugging his own right-hand line and wasn't really a cause for concern.
I see no riders doing anything particularly fucked up right before the crash except maybe the one right in front of the crasher was slowing/braking for the second half of the turn.
Was that it?
I know the fish-eye effect of the gopro messes with the apparent distances.
Not one single incident but the overall collection of in lane passes, etc. requiring any rider to place more attention than normal on their sides and to the rear. The requisite extra vigilance is in and of itself a distraction.
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Nov 14th 2017, 10:36 AM   #32
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  Jan 2016
  Salem, Oregon

  Cbr600rr and cbr1000rr
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentinel
Blah blah blah "...group rides..."

What was the "risky behavior" in the group that contributed to this crash?
It looks like things went south at 3:52 or 3:53 after the rider had first accelerated into the turn and then slowed from around 60 mph or so on what appears to be a pretty easy left-hand turn.
Crossed the fog line at 50ish.
Was it the car headed the other way that caused the whole thing? It seems like that guy was hugging his own right-hand line and wasn't really a cause for concern.
I see no riders doing anything particularly fucked up right before the crash except maybe the one right in front of the crasher was slowing/braking for the second half of the turn.
Was that it?
I know the fish-eye effect of the gopro messes with the apparent distances.
I think the car and messing with my visor both were distractions, but I think the main problem was focus. If I was looking at where I wanted to position the bike it wouldnt have happened.
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Nov 14th 2017, 10:38 AM   #33
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  Jan 2016
  Salem, Oregon

  Cbr600rr and cbr1000rr
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texasl
Not one single incident but the overall collection of in lane passes, etc. requiring any rider to place more attention than normal on their sides and to the rear. The requisite extra vigilance is in and of itself a distraction.
I got yah. Other than shared lane passes I think we are doing pretty good.
Nov 14th 2017, 10:40 AM   #34
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  Jan 2016
  Salem, Oregon

  Cbr600rr and cbr1000rr
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Originally Posted by Transported
Looks to me as if OP flipped down his shield when he was already a little wide and then didnít correct and kept too wide to pull it back. Maybe lost a little ground at the same time and tried to catch up to stay in formation which made the situation worse.

The way the group rides though, I expect we can enjoy lots of Salem crash videos in the future.
I should have trail braked like the rider ahead of me.
I hope you are wrong.
Nov 15th 2017, 06:45 AM   #35
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  Jan 2016
  Northeast Olalla

  07 Guzzi
Quote:
Originally Posted by SalemCBR
I got yah. Other than shared lane passes I think we are doing pretty good.
Is it safe to surmise that this is a group that regularly rides together?
Nov 15th 2017, 07:32 AM   #36
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  Jan 2016
  Salem, Oregon

  Cbr600rr and cbr1000rr
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texasl
Is it safe to surmise that this is a group that regularly rides together?
Elements of it. Its not a mc or anything. Most those riders that day were new to me.

Edited by SalemCBR on Nov 15th 2017 at 07:32 AM Reason: Spell
Nov 15th 2017, 11:00 AM   #37
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
New riders to you passing you in your lane going into corners or wheelieing past you? And that seems A-OK with you?
Nov 15th 2017, 11:12 AM   #38
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  Jan 2016
  Salem, Oregon

  Cbr600rr and cbr1000rr
Quote:
Originally Posted by Transported
New riders to you passing you in your lane going into corners or wheelieing past you? And that seems A-OK with you?
Any of those riders that did those things I had ridden with before and am familiar with their style. Admittedly it did not really bother me. Is it a great idea, prolly not. If you want to say shame on you for it than so be it.
Nov 15th 2017, 11:54 AM   #39
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  600RR
Sorry that happened, glad to see you're healing up.

Thanks for the video, at least you realize what happened and why.
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Nov 15th 2017, 04:27 PM   #40
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  Jan 2016
  welches, Oregon

  2008 Kawasaki Versys (Sylvester), 1972 Suzuki RV90 (vanvan), 1981 Honda TwinStar (Bobber),yamaha 225
damn glad you came out "ok"
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Nov 15th 2017, 04:45 PM   #41
 
  Jun 2016
  Portland area

Thank you for posting

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Nov 15th 2017, 07:19 PM   #42
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
We are funny cats, we riders-of-the-webz.
Sometimes we are all woke.
Sometimes we are rubes.

But I love being a biker-man even if sometimes I brake my bones.

No shame or blame from me here.

Every ride is a lesson.
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Nov 15th 2017, 08:06 PM   #43
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  Jan 2016
  Salem, Oregon

  Cbr600rr and cbr1000rr
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentinel
We are funny cats, we riders-of-the-webz.
Sometimes we are all woke.
Sometimes we are rubes.

But I love being a biker-man even if sometimes I brake my bones.

No shame or blame from me here.

Every ride is a lesson.
One of the interesting things about riding motorcycles with others is that we are all so different. We dont ride together because we have the same personalities, or careers, or even charachter. But we do share a love for riding. We dont always agree, but there is a general brotherhood. I dont take it personally when somebody disagrees with me.
Nov 15th 2017, 11:32 PM   #44
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  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

  SV650S Silver, HD Sportster
I'm not convinced the visor flip was a contributor

I mean obviously we hear you rolling-off in the video & we can't see whether or not you're grabbing some front...but the bike comes up either way...either from reduced rear wheel forward inertia...braking...or whatever...

And then I'm totally rooting for you to save it...shit...you almost made the other part of the road...I think you hit like some natural speedbump/root/limb or something otherwise I think you would've made it out...God you must have been less than 20 feet away from good asphalt...
Nov 16th 2017, 07:21 AM   #45
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  Jan 2016
  Muklilteo, WA

  Suzuki DL1000, Honda XR650R, KTM 250 XC-W
Maybe some dirt riding experience could have helped? See the result of last weeks MotoGP when Marc and Dovi each went off into the gravel (legal). Marc rides dirt a lot and stayed up.
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