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Aug 6th 2017, 07:05 AM   #1
 tod701's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Stanwood

Exclamation Running red lights in Everett

Back in June I sent the letter below to the Everett Chief of Police via certified letter.

No reply from the Everett police chief.
Just an email from their records department saying that they wrote 145 red light tickets in 2016.
Does not sound like a lot for a city of over 100,000.
If they were so inclined, I suspect they could write that many at the intersection of Broadway and Hewitt (next to the arena) in one day.

Happy trails,
Tod
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Dear Chief Templeman,

I am writing you today concerning what seems to be the ever increasing disregard for traffic signals by motorists in your city.

I have been doing business in Everett for over ten years and the running of red lights appears to be evermore commonplace and accepted as the norm. Currently there is never a day where I donít witness this first hand multiple times. Considering the potential lethality of this practice to motorcyclists we are deeply troubled by the frequency of occurrences.

What measures are the Everett Police taking relating to the problem? I have watched people running red lights while law enforcement officers were present and have never seen them take action. I fully understand that they may often be engaged in higher priority activities, but is that always the case?

I would greatly appreciate it if you could provide us with the total number of citations your department has issued for violations of RCW46.61.050 or other applicable statutes in 2016 or similar time frame.

Best regards,

Tod Petersen
Legislative/Land Use Coordinator
Northwest Motorcycle Association
Aug 6th 2017, 11:39 AM   #2
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

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the measures they take will probably be focused on hassling riders.
Aug 7th 2017, 09:38 AM   #3
 
  Jul 2017
  Arlington

  2001 Suzuki 1200S Bandit, 2006 Ural Patrol, 2016 Yamaha TW200
I thought this was going to be about the ancient (if any) sensor gear in some parts of Olde Everett. You know, not tripping the light, waiting forever, hoping for some giant ferrous SUV to come up behind you...then saying "fork it" and running the light.
Aug 7th 2017, 11:14 AM   #4
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  Feb 2016
  Seattle

In what manner are people running lights? Is this people disregarding yellows or is this just outright colorblindness?
Aug 7th 2017, 11:52 AM   #5
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  Jan 2016
  Stanwood

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Originally Posted by MikeMikeMike
In what manner are people running lights? Is this people disregarding yellows or is this just outright colorblindness?
Disregarding yellow and them some.
It is not unusual to have someone blow the light well after the light is red.
Sometime three or more cars running the light at a time.

I've been in the crosswalk at Broadway and Hewitt and had people running the red light while turning left so late that they drove through the crosswalk behind me.
Aug 7th 2017, 03:59 PM   #6
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  Jan 2016
  The spunk-filled wanksock formerly known as Portland

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Originally Posted by tod701
Disregarding yellow and them some.
It is not unusual to have someone blow the light well after the light is red.
Sometime three or more cars running the light at a time.

I've been in the crosswalk at Broadway and Hewitt and had people running the red light while turning left so late that they drove through the crosswalk behind me.
There's an intersection like that I go through daily. It's also at the crest of a hill and doesn't meet at right angles so it's not easy to see if someone's not slowing down coming at you from the left. I actually hate being at the head of the light because one day I'm gonna be tired and forget about this shit, do a fast launch on the green and get creamed by someone doing double the speed limit through the red.
Aug 9th 2017, 09:58 AM   #7
 
  Jan 2016
  Portland

Try writing to the county Sheriff. While they might have too much other stuff to do to enforce red lights inside city limits, they are much more likely to respond since they are elected rather than appointed. They do have jurisdiction inside the city too, so they could enforce it if they have the manpower.
Aug 9th 2017, 05:46 PM   #8
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  Jan 2016
  West Richland, WA

Meh.

When I was in Japan, it was the norm. The "3-car rule" they said. Just expect 3 cars after the light turns red. Not that it was a good thing, by any means, but it didn't seem to cause a rise in accident statistics.
Aug 9th 2017, 06:22 PM   #9
 
  Jan 2016
  Portland

My solution would be to have spike strips pop up on the white line when the light turns red. It's probably a good thing I'm not in charge.
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Aug 9th 2017, 07:17 PM   #10
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  Jan 2016
  Stanwood

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralgha
Try writing to the county Sheriff. While they might have too much other stuff to do to enforce red lights inside city limits, they are much more likely to respond since they are elected rather than appointed. They do have jurisdiction inside the city too, so they could enforce it if they have the manpower.
Reasonable suggestion in a less messed up world.

Unfortunately the Snohomish County Sheriff's office is already overwhelmed with violent and property crime related to the opioid biz to have any bandwidth to get involved with Everett city issues, especially mere traffic infractions.
Aug 9th 2017, 08:30 PM   #11
 
  Jan 2016
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Reasonable suggestion in a less messed up world.

Unfortunately the Snohomish County Sheriff's office is already overwhelmed with violent and property crime related to the opioid biz to have any bandwidth to get involved with Everett city issues, especially mere traffic infractions.
Wouldn't a bevy of red light cameras do the trick? Most people are incentivized to change behavior when they get hit on the wallet.
Aug 10th 2017, 08:51 AM   #12
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  Jan 2016
  here

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two things, devils advocate here, as a driver, you also have responsibility to not blindly go at a green, pay attention to your surroundings.

second, go to the politicians, the chief of police doesn't care about your red light problems, he's dealing with drugs and violence on a daily basis, idjits who can't drive are state patrols problem

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Originally Posted by Wrench
Meh.

When I was in Japan, it was the norm. The "3-car rule" they said. Just expect 3 cars after the light turns red. Not that it was a good thing, by any means, but it didn't seem to cause a rise in accident statistics.
i noticed that in tokyo. people just dealt with it and moved on and no one really cared. also, motorcycles/scoots got to go basically wherever they wanted. it was awesome

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Wouldn't a bevy of red light cameras do the trick? Most people are incentivized to change behavior when they get hit on the wallet.
f that. waste of money installing and maintaining them. and the tickets get thrown out in court.

there's a reason everrot has a stigma about it, there's good and bad, depends on where you go. but basically deal with it is the real world answer. our current laws aren't enforced in a fair and just manner, new ones continue to be put in place and then again, ignored. americans are too disrespectful to give a shit about anything but themselves.
Aug 12th 2017, 05:40 AM   #13
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  Jan 2016
  Stanwood

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go to the politicians, the chief of police doesn't care about your red light problems.....
Contacting the Chief of Police is a first step.
By doing that first you are better positioned when requesting help from politicians.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jared p
idjits who can't drive are state patrols problem
Not on city streets.
Aug 12th 2017, 05:43 AM   #14
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  Jan 2016
  Stanwood

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Wouldn't a bevy of red light cameras do the trick? Most people are incentivized to change behavior when they get hit on the wallet.
It might, but I personally despise the business model that enriches out of state companies and does not to discourage them from issuing non-valid infractions,
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