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Jun 15th 2017, 08:19 AM   #1
 HalcyonSon's Avatar
 
  Apr 2016
  Renton

Is this road even paved? (NF-90?)

Found a fun looking road around the backside of Mt. St. Helens, but I'm not convinced all of these roads are suitable for a sportbike. The one heading South from Iron Creek Campground doesn't even have a name on Google - just "Closed Winters."

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Jun 15th 2017, 08:42 AM   #2
 
  Jan 2016
  Woodland, WA

I just called the forest service about road 25 (your route south of Iron Creek campground). They said it was closed from road 99 north and will not be open until around July 4. I didn't ask about 99 up to Windy Ridge, but it often is closed until pretty late. The rest of your route is open, but 503 between Cougar and Woodland has a one lane section with a stop light.

And BTW, even when it is open, road 25 is not very suitable for anything other than an adventure bike because the pavement is so beat up. It's certainly possible on a sport bike, but you have to go slow.
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Edited by McRider on Jun 15th 2017 at 08:45 AM
Jun 15th 2017, 09:22 AM   #3
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  May 2016
  Beaverton

  2001 Suzuki GSF600s, 2001 Aprilia SL1000 Falco
I believe I rode that (25) at the end of last summer during Rally in the Gorge. We took it up to Randle for lunch and made an attempt at taking NF-23 back south. as stated, it is paved, but the frost heaves on that road are really bad. NF-23 ended up being washed out a few miles in so we had to backtrack and take the same route back. Its passable, but not too fun on a sport bike.
Jun 15th 2017, 08:05 PM   #4
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  Jan 2016
  Adjacent to the Hobbit Garage

To answer your main question: Yes those roads are paved including FS-90.

As to your other question: In my "biased" opinion Sport bikes do just fine out there, and you can have a grand old time on much of that route, but I do have one caveat. You do have to pay attention, and move with a certain amount of caution if your not familiar with those roads.

For the route you posted, FS-25 (Randle to FS-90 at Pine Creak) is the worst. It is paved, but as mentioned before it has a lot of dips, severe cracks, and some major frost heaves. That was at least how the road was last summer. With the harder winter, who knows what new hidden joys are awaiting the summer thaw.


FS-25 between FS-99 and Pine Creak. An example of some of the winter damage.


Not the best example, but there are some places you can carry some speed


FS-99 (Windy Ridge Access) is probably the next worst, but only on the return lane. The outbound lane (to Windy Ridge) has been in great shape for the past several years. Heavy rains did cause a minor slide that came down into that lane last November, but it will probably be clear by the time it opens. Typically, you can run a fun pace when going out. You just have to watch for debris on the road (sand and fallen rocks) as you approach the Windy Ridge Parking Lot.


Looking eastward from the return lane

As mentioned before, the Return lane is where you need to definitely stay on your toes. The main problem is that the return lane is the down slope lane, and it has all the problems normally associated with a such a lane. The slope is eroding not just from the shoulder, but from underneath the road in many places. Compounded by the fact that there is no shoulder along much of that road, you have many places where there are severe dips, cracks, and the road has started sloughing off. This isn't to imply that the whole return lane is horrid. There are lots of places you can enjoy a stiff pace. Just stay alert and you should be fine.


Looking Eastward. An example of some of the damage in the return lane.

FS-90 does have some issues, but most of it is just fine. There are a few things to look out for, but nothing that should pose a major danger, unless your pushing the limits of the bike. Though there are some major cracks and minor frost heaves here and there, probably the biggest issue with FS-90 is the series of patches that cover the entire road in several places. They are limited to the area that runs along the north rim of swift reservoir (just to the West of the Pine Creak Area). The issue with the patches, is that they weren't rolled smooth when they were applied. As a result, they now form a series of short speed bumps that don't feel nice when hitting them at speed. Nothing really dangerous, and I've never heard of anyone having a bad day as a result of hitting them too fast. However, I have heard of a few folks who "Shat Themselves" when they hit one unexpectedly in a tighter corner while getting their "Lean on". Fortunately, the patches are located in a relatively short stretch of 1-2 miles, so you only have to deal with them for a short time.


FS-90 Looking Eastward above the Northern shore of Swift Reservoir. One of the "speed bump" patches, with a metal plate (plate is easily avoided). Road has since been swept and the snow is now gone.


FS-90 Looking Eastward above the Northern Shore of Swift Reservoir. If you look at the Double Yellows, you can see a square depression in the center of the road (in shadow). That is probably the most common type of damage you will encounter along FS-90. Road has since been swept and the snow is now gone.

There is one last place on FS-90 that you do want to stay alert on. That is the section that runs through the North Woods area just to the east of the Eagle Cliff Store. Currently the road does have some major cracks, and shallow potholes. Nothing that can't be easily avoided, but the over all pavement is on the bumpy side, and even in the summer months a deep and dangerous pothole can open up if we've had enough rain. The good news is that they typically fix major damage fairly quickly in that area, and the area is relatively short. Still that is one place to keep on your toes, or more specifically keep the weight on the balls of your feet as you ride through the rough.

Depending on your direction of travel that is generally the end of the rough pavement areas. If you are doing the loop clockwise, once you turn onto Curly Creak Rd, you are pretty much through with rough pavement until you return to FS-90 East of Cougar. Most of the winter damage on SR-14, as well as other roads, has been fixed. Wind River Rd (North of Carson) was repaved about two years ago, and is still in great shape.


Old Man Pass. The road is even cleaner now.

If traveling Clockwise, most of the damage is behind you by the time you reach the turn off for the Ape Caves. There are still a few pot holes east and west of Cougar, but most are easily seen and avoided.

Some additional information that might help: Planning Info: Gifford Pinchot Area - Fuel, Mileage, and Routes

Additionally, though your route is very doable, here is an alternate route with a few recommendations to avoid the more heavily trafficked Highways, and hit some hidden little gems of Clark County.

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Edited by FeralRdr on Jun 16th 2017 at 08:23 AM Reason: Two alternates equals a leadership problem.
Jun 15th 2017, 09:38 PM   #5
 Willow's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Silverdale, WA

  848evo, DRZ400SM, XR100
I've only done FS25 on a sportbike! Done it many times over the years. Yes, it's pretty bumpy (Edit: but still fun as Blake mentioned below) the first half from Randle to FS90, but once you get past the turn off to Windy Ridge, it's pretty fun!

If you pick a sunny day, there's great views along the route. There's hardly any traffic, but when you do come upon traffic, they're usually really slow, specially RV's, but there's lot's of places to go around them.

Have fun

Edited by Willow on Jun 16th 2017 at 05:55 AM
Jun 15th 2017, 09:50 PM   #6
 
  Feb 2016
  tacoma

Quote:
Originally Posted by McRider
And BTW, even when it is open, road 25 is not very suitable for anything other than an adventure bike because the pavement is so beat up. It's certainly possible on a sport bike, but you have to go slow.
false. you should haul ass thru there because it is stupid fun. be ready to use your legs as suspension because there are a lot of bumps but do not let that deter you from this road. it is bumpy at times but be a man if carrying a good clip you will probably have both wheels off the ground flying over a frost heave, at least once.

protect the nuts, bend your legs, have fun!

Quote:
Originally Posted by FeralRdr
To answer your main question: Yes those roads are paved including FS-90.
this was an awesome post. thanks!

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when fs90 opens you should use my super secret technique. leave home early, like 0:dark:30 depending on where you start. be careful of wildlife on your way south down 7. peel off to fs90 and plan to reach the parking lot around 7-9am. no cars, campers or rangers on the entry or exit. it is beautiful, calm and sweet. look for fallen rocks but there is no sand.
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Jun 16th 2017, 06:28 AM   #7
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  Jan 2016
  Travelling around the NW

  Triumph Bonnezillah, Ninjette
Ok, can we just compromise and say that Windy Ridge is perfect for a supermoto?
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Jun 16th 2017, 07:32 AM   #8
 HalcyonSon's Avatar
 
  Apr 2016
  Renton

Haha good discussion, and much appreciated. "Use the search noob" would have sufficed if I knew what the hell I was looking for.

The roads don't look any worse than I'm used to riding around SW PA and WV. Rockfalls, frost heaves, and forgotten construction sites in the middle of nowhere are the norm, with the bonus of Amish buggies on blind corners. Coal trucks and their accompanying slag down the center and shoulders usually replace the logging trucks.
Jun 16th 2017, 07:33 AM   #9
 HalcyonSon's Avatar
 
  Apr 2016
  Renton

Quote:
Originally Posted by FeralRdr
To answer your main question: Yes those roads are paved including FS-90.

Some additional information that might help: Planning Info: Gifford Pinchot Area - Fuel, Mileage, and Routes

Additionally, though your route is very doable, here is an alternate route with a few alternatives to avoid the more heavily trafficked Highways, and hit some hidden little gems of Clark County.

Adjusted Loop
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Jun 16th 2017, 09:45 AM   #10
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  Jan 2016
  The spunk-filled wanksock formerly known as Portland

  R1200ST, CB350
Last time through I decided trying to make a loop of it misses the point, since no matter which way you go at best only half your ride is the really good one. So now it's like this:
  • "Honey, I'm going out to get a soda!"
  • Gear up. Switch on. Starter.
  • Ride Carson - Randle.
  • Buy soda in at the gas station at Randle.
  • Ride Randle - Carson - home
  • "What kept you?"
  • "Oh, the roads were awful."
Jun 16th 2017, 10:58 AM   #11
 HalcyonSon's Avatar
 
  Apr 2016
  Renton

Quote:
Originally Posted by WarpShatner7
Last time through I decided trying to make a loop of it misses the point, since no matter which way you go at best only half your ride is the really good one. So now it's like this:
  • "Honey, I'm going out to get a soda!"
  • Gear up. Switch on. Starter.
  • Ride Carson - Randle.
  • Buy soda in at the gas station at Randle.
  • Ride Randle - Carson - home
  • "What kept you?"
  • "Oh, the roads were awful."
I used to do the same thing. A trip to the gym after work got me home after dark. Never mind the extra 150 miles on the odometer. I really miss living in a rural area with fun roads at the end of the driveway.
Jun 18th 2017, 04:39 PM   #12
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  Apr 2016
  PDX

  2013 Honda CB500XA
Quote:
Originally Posted by FeralRdr
To answer your main question: Yes those roads are paved including FS-90.


Additionally, though your route is very doable, here is an alternate route with a few recommendations to avoid the more heavily trafficked Highways, and hit some hidden little gems of Clark County.

Adjusted Loop


Thank you for that alternate route!!

On multiple occasions, I've been bummed about the end of a ride back to PDX after Battle Ground, and now I have a longer but way, way better alternate. I really dug Washougal River Road.
Jun 19th 2017, 10:15 AM   #13
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  Jan 2016
  renton aka the dirty south

  Suprduke990 / Tiger800 / 625sumo / TE300 / 12wr450 / 03wr450 / wr250 / CB350 / XR100 / CRF50 / TTR50
Quote:
Originally Posted by McRider

And BTW, even when it is open, road 25 is not very suitable for anything other than an adventure bike because the pavement is so beat up. It's certainly possible on a sport bike, but you have to go slow.
Or supermoto.. its a fantastic road on my superduke.. but it eats gnarly bumpy uneven pavement.
Jun 19th 2017, 10:16 AM   #14
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  Jan 2016
  renton aka the dirty south

  Suprduke990 / Tiger800 / 625sumo / TE300 / 12wr450 / 03wr450 / wr250 / CB350 / XR100 / CRF50 / TTR50
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarpShatner7
[*]Ride Carson - Randle.
^^^that.

Go mid-week.. not weekends.
Too many RV's and traffic.
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