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May 18th 2017, 09:22 PM   #1
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The rise and fall of sportbikes

The Rise and Fall of Sportbikes, Peter Jones Bike Life | Cycle World

Yes? No?
May 18th 2017, 09:31 PM   #2
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May 18th 2017, 09:54 PM   #3
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No, not really. I have always believed that you should ride what you like; sport bike, cruiser, dresser, ADV, supermoto, naked. Heck, even trikes.

I think trends will come and go. The sheer horsepower and technology built into today's motorcycles pretty much guarantees a performance envelope exceeding 95% of the riding population's skills on any style. One thing missing in the article is the age demographic of the market by bike type. That would be an interesting data point. For example, it used to be that the Harley buyers were "old, retired guys". Not so much anymore (myself excluded).

I started on two-strokes. Bikes with kick starters and handlebars. I love my four stroke standard and am pleased to have disc brakes and an electric starter.

Run what'cha brung. Preferences may change but that's the realm of the marketing department. All you have to do is find something you want to ride.
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Edited by 307T on May 18th 2017 at 09:59 PM
May 18th 2017, 10:52 PM   #4
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  Jan 2016
  Vancouver, WA

sport bikes.

I would say if you are excellent @ yoga (was that marq marquez doing that stretch where he's about to give his own self a bl*wjob?) and in good shape...You are good. If you are not (like the rest of us), standards are the way to go on the street. Might as well be as comfortable as possible. Nobody is sponsoring me, or gives a fuck, so why endure the pain. FTS!!!!!!

Can't see having to get in a fetal position all day long to ride. Painful...no matter what the age, i would think.

The only bikes that shoudl have clipons are two strokes. 4 strokes are too damn heavy for that shi*. I remember Vaughn letting me ride his R1 once after riding the RZ350....pig w/ clipons...dayum....he took off on the RZ and i was like how the *uck do you turn this shi*.

In all seriousness, bikes like the 1st gen Z1000 are the shi*....112,000 miles and still rocking.

Edited by holypiston on May 18th 2017 at 10:56 PM Reason: 4 stroke silliness
May 18th 2017, 11:11 PM   #5
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Are sport bikes dead? No. If my wife would let me own more bikes, a SS track bike would be in my garage.

He had an interesting thought though that I really like. I want to see a series for the super nakeds. Maybe this is just me and my FZ1 fantasies, but I think it would be a fun and interesting race.
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May 19th 2017, 12:24 AM   #6
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Awrite... a cool topic to get all the two wheeled peeps infighting.. not that anyone cares, but since Lena started it..i'll throw my 2 cents in.. sportbikes, love em or hate em, are here to stay. The technology involved in those things drives innovation that eventually trickles down to "regular" bikes, ie, sport-touring, naked's, etc. Dare I supply an example? Challenge accepted. Take a look at the Suzuki M109R... typical cruiser type bike, but alas!-take a closer look...the front end is right off a Gixxer..inverted forks, radial mounted calipers, dual rotors, why, it's a 600# motogp boulevard screamer...

And I'll even throw in me own 2 rides as proof: a 2010 (2010!!), Honda VFR 1200 DCTf..a supremely innovative machine that can be ridden as a mellow, gas saving fully automatic cruiser, or a screamin demon that the rider can shift via "paddle" shifters next to the turn signals. It also incorporates a dual clutch that is super convenient in rush hour traffic: no more left wrist cramping from pulling in a clutch a thousand times per mile...not to mention it has 170 HP...noice..

And then there's the violent beast that is my naked Aprilia Factory Tuono..dayum that she-beast is a violent, nasty, loud, angry, wheelie makin, tire smokin piece of Italian beauty that belies it's beauty with a serious bit of attitude...

So there ya have it, dolls and gents, don't hate the sportbike, love it for what it is: a guinea pig for us mere mortals...
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May 19th 2017, 12:32 AM   #7
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  Portland

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Maybe we need a bike that has motorized handlebars, seat and footpegs. That way we can get into an upright position when cruising or off road and then get into a tuck when strafing corners or going for a speed run.

I was old school for a long time. For me, I was OK wth the mid size bikes that were light and responsive if a bit anemic and with bargain basement parts. Then I got the R1 and found that it was a little heavy and wide, but the engine was mind bending and the handling and brakes made it all quite manageable. A thrill ride. I finally understood why they called them superbikes.

I tried other bikes and was not impressed much. Until I tried a Yamaha 250 supermoto. Here was a bike with like 20 hp that went so fast even in the rain that I could probably give the R1 a run almost anywhere except the straights. And it was even more fun. I could full throttle it going into a corner and just keep it open while laying it over as far as needed. Amazing.

And I remember that bike swap, Holypiston. I took off on your Daytona, the first time I got a chance to really ride one of those and on the decent Skyline Drive. My thoughts were: "This thing is a flexy flyer with iffy brakes and a peaky and slightly weak engine, but it is not bad and was probably outstanding back in its day." Ang told me later that your eyes bugged out when I told you I only got it a little over 100 mph in the few miles I rode it, which I thought was respectable. I am pretty sure I stayed below the redline.
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Edited by Transported on May 19th 2017 at 12:37 AM
May 19th 2017, 12:37 AM   #8
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After reading the brief article, seems to me he has a point, but one that is not explored in-depth or with stats or anything of substance. Of course sportbike sales are down. The prices are incrementally increasing, and there are so many choices to choose from, it's no wonder that the more financially able are moving to comfortable bikes with power and technology. Bottom line to me is that there's never been a better time to be a rider. So many different styles to choose from and the technology is that it's almost impossible not to find one that fits one's style. Bang for the buck is pretty strong here, Obi-Wan...
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May 19th 2017, 08:28 AM   #9
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Yes and no.
There's a huge variety in bikes you can buy now. You can find multiple "in between" bikes ranging from Cruiser to dirt to sport to touring, so there's something for every style. You don't have to buy strictly a race replica bike or strictly a cruiser or standard.

Another factor is how much insurance costs on a 1000CC RR, and that they're gimped ECU wise from the factory. Why bother buying one unless you want to put another $1000 into ungimping it?
May 19th 2017, 08:32 AM   #10
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I started a business ten years ago with a couple of partners. We started licensing famous record album titles from major labels and making a few hundred reel-to-reel copies of the master tape, long considered a medium that had risen and fallen. People in the industry pretty much thought we were nuts.

It's now a very high dollar exclusive club kind of thing, and has caught on to where there are now 20 or so companies doing the same thing. If you go to a high end audio show these days you will see restored "antique" tape decks in all the high end rooms, some with custom electronics I manufacture.

When we started the business nobody wanted a tape deck. We were picking up 20 year old high end tape decks for anywhere from $100 to $250. After ten years those antiquated, out of style decks are going for $1500-$10,000 and more.

So please do let sportbikes fall out of fashion. I'll watch for the fire sales.
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May 19th 2017, 08:39 AM   #11
 
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  Seattle East Side

This country is suffering from a Motorsports deficiency.
May 19th 2017, 09:31 AM   #12
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  Renton

I like the idea of a national "actual street" series... Just don't make it all FZs. Get all those nakeds out there in street trim with very limited mods allowed - stuff every street rider with a few hundred bucks and an hour or two can do.

But are sportbikes dead? No. My problem, and I'm sure this goes for many people is that the stars have to align for me to get another bike. Between school loans, car loan, credit cards, un-supportive spouse, and no space, it's mighty tough to justify having a bike that makes a terrible daily driver. So it's not that I don't WANT a supersport, just that it's not realistic. Give me a few years...

I think Astair1299 nailed it, we have a general apathy toward motorsports any more. The sheer number of Prius out there should be evidence of that. I'd like to see more businesses (especially bars and restaurants) take note of how big Backfire and the SUB bike nights are and start showing racing rather than armchair quarterbacks yacking all the time. I know there are a few regulars at my local brewery/taproom that ride. I'd bet I can get the owners to put racing up on the screen if I got the right subscription. That might even bring in more business for them... more likely to get me in the door than a trivia night anyway

Edited by HalcyonSon on May 19th 2017 at 09:35 AM
May 19th 2017, 09:38 AM   #13
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Only bike demographic that seem to be on the brink of disappearing from the show room floors are the 600 super sports. Honda has said that they are not making a new one. The new R6 is not all that new, basically same frame and engine, much the same with the Kawi 636 and Triumphs 675. Aside from that sport bikes seem to be doing well and keep improving. Who would have thought ten years ago that you could afford a Ducati/Aprilia/MV today that are nearly reliable to boot?
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May 19th 2017, 09:51 AM   #14
 
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  Seattle East Side

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Originally Posted by HalcyonSon
I think Astair1299 nailed it, we have a general apathy toward motorsports any more. The sheer number of Prius out there should be evidence of that. I'd like to see more businesses (especially bars and restaurants) take note of how big Backfire and the SUB bike nights are and start showing racing rather than armchair quarterbacks yacking all the time. I know there are a few regulars at my local brewery/taproom that ride. I'd bet I can get the owners to put racing up on the screen if I got the right subscription. That might even bring in more business for them... more likely to get me in the door than a trivia night anyway

A lot of people just don't understand racing in general. Very few people grew up watching it, many can't relate to it, and most think it's too dangerous for them or their children to try. I can't even mention the word "motorcycle" or "racing" without my wife rolling her eyes.

You'll never see any news media about F1 or MotoGP....two of the biggest sports in the world. Maybe some bull shit about Lewis Hamilton snapchatting something controversial if you're lucky.

You can't even find MotoGP on normal channels - if you don't have access to VideoPass you're basically out of the loop entirely. F1 coverage on NBC is total GARBAGE, and Indy gets basically no coverage either. Who knows how you can follow Rally?

So we're left with Nascar, the fucking armpit of motorsports.

It's not about handle bars vs. clip-ons. Our country is run by advertising...simple as that.
May 19th 2017, 10:25 AM   #15
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  Jan 2016
  Puyallup

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Astair1299
It's not about handle bars vs. clip-ons. Our country is run by advertising...simple as that.
Oh, but it is. Pike's Peak Rulebook for Motorcycles Rule 5 subsection K "Only motorcycles manufactured with one-piece handlebars as original equipment will
be permitted. Only OVM one-piece handlebars will be permitted"

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